...hey chris...

[DreamTone7]

I'm almost afraid to ask what kind of afficiando you are, joe.

Melody and Instruments for the soul...

[HKRockChick]

I just wanted to set the record straight.



In truth it’s a combination of what both Mike and Chris said. The utter hopelessness of dealing with ignorance and intolerance that refuses to see truths that are staring them in the face, the hypocritical "christian" belief in a “good” (barf) war that kills over a hundred thousand people and the fawningly slavish love for a retarded criminal and his gang of thugs that will repress women and set the world back hundreds of years, indeed which is the western equivalent to the Taliban… I just got extremely bored with it all. I then decided that my energies are better used elsewhere. So in reality my dropping of the face of the planet is a combination of the above and what Chris said – I truly am up to here with work and studies, and am researching and writing my thesis now, and need all my energies focused there, not on the deluded individuals that inhabit this board – its just not worth my time. With startling clarity I saw that I was trying to convince a bunch of fawning, childish males that disgusted and ultimately bored me to tears, and I decided to go on with my own productive life. That’s all.



Thanks for asking.



BTW, its nice to see some new faces with rational opinons, please stay.



S'long - I won't be back for another long while.

[DreamTone7]

...it is too bad she had to drag gender into the equation...though it is very telling about her present state of mind that she did so. Oh well...we can't be completely rational all of the time.



As one-sided as I believe her vision to be, I do think she really cares about people in general...and hopefully she still considers men to be people, or she would be just as bad as those she appears to dispise. Potential personal insults towards me and others aside, it is really the repression of women in society as found in many Muslim countries that this whole issue with Osama bin Laden is really all about. Radical Muslims are fighting for their way of life...which includes a definite difference in the way that women are treated there as opposed to the way they are treated in the western world.



One difference I will point out between Christianity and the secular world is that Christianity preaches acceptance of people, while the secular world preaches tollerance. Would you prefer to be tolerated, or accepted? I think most people would choose to be accepted.



BTW, does rational = HKRCs opinion?

[The Master68]

"Christianity preaches acceptance of people"



Uhhh, that's the 1st time I ever heard that one.



Every christian I ever came into contact with tried to force their god down my throat.



That doesn't sound like acceptance.

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[russky joe]

"though it is very telling about her present state of mind that she did so. Oh well...we can't be completely rational all of the time."



I gotta put this right before I go. I just gotta.



Who the f*ck are you to be casting aspersions on other people's psychological health? Just who the f*ck are you? A psychiatrist? A psychologist? Where did you train? Where's your frickin' certifcate?



You and that Lone Ranger nutball did the same thing with that college professor. I can't see a damn thing wrong with either of 'em.



You're the ones who believe in a supreme being up in the frickin' heavens. You're the ones who think you're involved in a battle of universal good against evil. You're the ones who think a 2000 year old book of frickin' fairy tales tells you the truth about how the earth was created and who owns which piece of frickin' land. You're the ones who've put a dangerous moron in the White House.



And you have the frickin' NERVE to question somebody else's rationality?



Hey, screw this. I feel like a frickin' alien in my own country. I'll give it four more here, but if this bunch of frickin' crooks and screwy god-botherers create God's Police State here and cause any more trouble around the globe it's Canada or Europe for me. I frickin' mean it. I just don't want to share space with these nutballs.



Screw you.

[DreamTone7]

68 - "Every christian I ever came into contact with tried to force their god down my throat.



That doesn't sound like acceptance. "



I agree that some go too far at times. There is a difference between wanting to spread the word and trying to force it on somebody. But at the same time, it's not something one who understands it would want to keep silent about...and to understand that, you would first have to be a Christian. Sorry, but there isn't any other explanation I could offer you that would make any sense to you. If you had wonderful news, wouldn't you want to tell everybody? But when you say "every Christian", you are greatly mistaken...as I am sure that you have run across many that you did not realize were Christians. The habit of labelling Christians as only those who are forceful in what they say is a faulty one for determining who is Christian, and who is not. It would be like my saying that everyone who uses foul language is politically liberal...though it may seem to apply at times, it is by no means an accurate or fair determination.



Do keep in mind that there is a difference between accepting people, and accepting their actions or what they believe. It is the ranting and raving that is not accepted...the people are accepted aside from their actions and/or beliefs. I believe that there are many people who have a difficulty distinguishing in their minds the difference between the two.



joe - "I gotta put this right before I go. I just gotta."



So, your definition of "putting things right" is by making the same kinds of judgments about people that you claim to be set against them doing. That, by definition, is hipocrisy.



On the other hand, when somebody contradicts themselves in the same post, I give them the benifit of the doubt and figure that maybe they're just upset about something at the moment. Ever try giving people the benefit of the doubt?

[russky joe]

"But at the same time, it's not something one who understands it would want to keep silent about...and to understand that, you would first have to be a Christian."



I got some wonderful news myself. This is for everyone. There ain't no god and the bible is bullshit. We can be intelligent creatures and pretty nice to each other usually, give or take a few spats here and there. But only if we reject dumb superstition. I can't keep silent about it and I feel like spreading it around. It's just so wonderful, and the feeling of liberation from superstition is just SO GOOD.



But you god-botherers - islamic, christian, jewish or whatever - will never understand this because the rest of us are rational human beings and you'll never know what it feels like to be one. You'll never feel liberated like the rest of us. You haven't got a hope. You're doomed to live in superstition for generations.



The difference is, y'see, that you superstitious nutballs will blow up the rest of us because you can't get along with one another. Comprendez? That makes you dangerous. Very dangerous. So dangerous that rational people are gonna have to think of ways to bring the rule of law against you, to stop you spreading your superstitious bullshit and institutionalizing it. I mean it, goober. The rule of law. The first step is to stop you teaching this frickin' garbage in schools and indoctrinating children.



You frickin' dangerous nutballs. How can I make that judgement? Evidence, that's why. Right through history, and right now as the nutty christians and nutty islamists are manipulated by a bunch of corporate sleazeballs to start mass murdering each other. You're like dumb little kids, and we're gonna have to dissuade you from this superstition, buddy, for your own protection and ours.

[bbchris]

Well, that was a surprise to see Debbie in here!



Dreamtone asked me about Debbie, Mike responded, I replied to Dreamtone & MIke, everyone else reacted and continue to react. How interesting.



Hi Joe, nice to meet you! I see you've been posting around. I'm very happy for you that you have your own brand of spiritualism. Where are you from btw?

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[The Master68]

He's from russky... LMAO

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[russky joe]

All I'm saying is that I'm a US citizen with a Russian father and I'm working in Europe for the next few months.



Don't ask me any more questions, I ain't answering. I saw what some of these creeps did to that other chick from Hong Kong and the English college professor. Checking up their details on the web, shopping 'em to the FBI in God's Police State and looking to make trouble with their employers! About as un-American as it gets, wouldn't ya say?



Not nice. Not nice at all. These creeps are running their own li'l Homeland Security Act on your board! The sheer effrontery of 'em!!



In my opinion you should've moderated the hell out of those guys, but then again maybe you were right to let it be. I mean, which self-respecting employer would take these nutballs seriously? Especially the one who thinks he's the frickin' Lone Ranger.



And don't think that spirituality belongs to the jesus-freaks or the religious in general. I get feelings of wonder every time I stand on the seashore and watch the moon go bright and pull back the waves. I'ts just I ain't arrogant enough to claim I know what's behind the whole thing and I ain't foolish enough to read books written by people who do, that's all.



Hi-hoe Silver, awaaaaay .....

[DreamTone7]

joe - "I'ts just I ain't arrogant enough to claim I know what's behind the whole thing..."



But you are arrogant enough to claim that everyone who believes differently from you about it is wrong...indirectly claiming that you know better than they "what's behind the whole thing". What a hipocrit.

Melody and Instruments for the soul...

[russky joe]

Why can none of the fundies on this frickin' board spell hypocrite properly? That's about the 5th different spelling I've seen and I've only been here a few days.



Frickin' ada.



jeeez I hope I got it right .... otherwise I'll be a "hipocrit" myself ....

[bbchris]

My oh my you do sound paranoid! That's OK you can maintain your 'unknown' state. I think it's really funny that you use the word "aint" all the time and poke fun at someone spelling the word hypocrite in a different way to you!!



I'm Chinese with English blood mixed in, I 'aint' paranoid and I'm somebody famous in Hong Kong. I LOVE Europe! Probably not this time of the year though! I prefer it in the summer.



And yes that's exactly what I meant by spirituality! IT is what it is to each individual.

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[russky joe]

Doll, there's only one way for English-speaking peeps to spell 'hypocrite' and that's 'hypocrite'.



'Hipocrit' ain't different, it's just plain wrong. The result of crumby redneck public education. They don't like paying taxes, and, y'know, in the end you get what you pay for.

[The Master68]

"The result of crumby redneck public education."



Actually, it's the result of kids not paying attention in class...

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