15th anniversary of Tiananmen Square massacre

HKRockChick · No More Peas! Joined: 25 Nov 2003 Posts: 1513

I'm sorry I have to say this, but I sincerely mean it. I truly don't think you are informed enough for me to have any sort of rational debate with you. I don't mean this in a bad way or anything, I just don't think you know enough to make informed decisions or arguments. You have exhibited this in the past, but I thought you were joking. Now with your proclaimed zero knowledge of the US torture, I just have to believe that you dont know zip of what's happening in our world today.

And if you don't want to educate yourself, there's nothing anyone can do, but I certainly dont want to waste my time anymore. :dunno

Cheers!

DreamTone7 · Joined: 20 Sep 2002 Posts: 2571

Smooth way of backing out of my question.

No problem.

questionnaire · Joined: 29 May 2003 Posts: 640

Discussing anything with you is pointless.

The sad fact is that in Britain and America there is a large group of badly educated, ignorant, tunnel-visioned and very dangerous people (look what happens when they are allowed to control things) whose whole world of ideas and values needs to be resisted and eventually jettisoned. Stupid barbarians, basically. The exceptionally intelligent and well-read European intellectual Cornelius Castoriadis put it succinctly over 30 years ago - either we have a liberalised form of democratic socialism or we will descend into barbarism. The pictures of barely literate US soldiers standing grinning over the bodies of torture victims proves beyond any doubt that he was absolutely right.

The 'new barbarians' are at the helm. Discussing matters with them is pointless. They need to be beaten politically, and very soundly beaten at that. The big problem is that these people have too much influence in the immensely powerful mass media and they have privileged access to government. Many of them are rich, and simply buy their influence.

Either we get rid of them or suffer more terrorism as the inevitable reprisals for their barbaric actions over the past 56 years begin to gather pace.

HKRockChick · No More Peas! Joined: 25 Nov 2003 Posts: 1513

you are so predictable DT. How did I know you'd come back with that crap.

My answer is No to all, or I would not have asked the question. If you had half a brain you wouldnt need to ask me my answers. Am I a christian? I was born so, do I represent Christ's teachings in my life? perhaps not, and particularly not in my treatment of some on this board, but I certainly don't advocate killing in his name, the way some do :dunno

Now for the your ill-informed non-arguments, please please go do some reading and come back and argue the issues, for or against. This constant denying they happened is boring. I really dont want to be arguing with ignorant people any more. K?

ta-ta

:gl

DreamTone7 · Joined: 20 Sep 2002 Posts: 2571

Not that your answers were not completely predictable...I just prefer not to assume.

Until you are actually willing to discuss something instead of merely preaching your agenda, I would agree that there is no further point in my carrying this conversation further. (Hey, at least there is one thing we can agree upon!)

bbchris · Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 2:15 pm Post subject: This thread was about June 4th

I'm sorry but I have to remind you that that is what this thread was started about - if any of you have forgotten - here's a site with UNPLEASANT or OFFENSIVE photos of what happened on June 4th 1989

www.boxun.com/hero/64/52_1.shtml

RonOnGuitar · Joined: 08 Jan 2003 Posts: 1916

Chris - while no one strives to be a martyr, I envision the day when there's a monument in this Square inscribed with the names of those good, decent and brave people who were made to be martyrs on that day. A monument will not ease the sorrow of their loved ones, but it will help to serve as a reminder to everyone that humans are capable of great evil, but they are also capable of great good.

There was a great battle at Gettysburg, Pennsylvania during the American Civil War, one in which both sides lost many lives. President Abraham Lincoln was called on to dedicate Gettysburg as a memorial. In his short address he made a point which I believe also applies to the fallen at Tiananmen Square:

"In a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground. The brave, living and dead, who struggled here have hallowed it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here."

(Lincoln was partly wrong, people did remember what was said there!)

HKRockChick · No More Peas! Joined: 25 Nov 2003 Posts: 1513

A German sculpter made this statue, it was doing the rounds in universities in HK - I saw it when it came to the HKUST.

www.democracy.org.hk/pic/Pillar.JPG

I'm not sure where it is now, the govt. doesnt know what to do with it... :dunno

www.democracy.org.hk/oped...artist.htm

Its pretty huge.

www.mil.ufl.edu/~nechyba/photo9.html

bbchris · Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:49 am Post subject: Re: Pillar of Shame

That's a great vision Ron. I will share in that vision and share that thought with others. Everyone matters. Every life is precious.

Debbie - I don't know what happened to that pillar either....