Madrid hit by five ETA bombs

[Galmin]

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A, seems like "they" said if you do not remove your soldires from iraq we will bomb you.... seems like another example of "apeasement does not work"





B, Bingo, rev9...but it seems those European types can't seem to learn that lesson...so, here we go again.

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Dear persons. Do you know why Aznar lost the election? It was because he went against the will of the people and participated in a war the people didn't want the country be a part of under the circumstances it was undertaken. It was because he lied about it.



ETA does not detonate bombs because of the Iraqi war.



I better repeat this because I am positive some didn't understand.



ETA does not detonate bombs because of the Iraqi war.









ETA was founded 1959 during the Franco dictatorship and has been carrying out attacks on a regular basis ever since 1968 (and until '75 the ETA was seen as "THE RESISTANCE)

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They didn't learn it with Hitler in WWII...why would they learn it now?

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You mean like when the Reichstag was set to flames, some unidentified commie terrorists were blamed for it together with politicians (that were said to be too lax on law and order, appeasing terrorists, etc. Sounds familiar in any way, shape or form?) and the right wing lunatics behind the actual "terrorist act" (with the SA marching the streets intimidating people of a more humanitarian mindset to shut up) got rid of the opposition through the national emergency (Enabling Act) and put and end to the Weimar Republic?



You mean like when the people were fed fake reasons for marching into Poland?



What they learned was not to trust lying thugs disguising as politician acting in the interrest of the people.

Edited by: Galmin  at: 12/7/04 19:08

[russky joe]

Hey Galmin, as an American citizen please let me apologize for these imbeciles. They're truly ignorant about world affairs, history, geography and everything else apart from the frickin' bible. That's all they know. They don't deserve to partake in our democracy. They embarrass me and nearly 50 million other Americans right down to our bones. They make us shudder and squirm in total embarrassment.



Please don't judge us all by these imbeciles. It's hard, but I'm gonna try not to answer them and just let this frickin' board die. I noticed that if you just let them post their creationist hate-mongering bullshit nobody answers. No pressure here, but I'm asking you to do the same. Rockchick, the professor and bitwhys have all gone, and I think we could just leave these sad backward people alone to talk among themselves.

[DreamTone7]

Galmin - "What they learned was not to trust lying thugs disguising as politician acting in the interrest of the people."



As I said rev9...haven't learned a thing. Apparently not because they aren't smart...they're just too stubborn! After all, how dare America teach them a lesson by bailing them out of their mistake in WWII...they're Europeans after all! Wish I could laugh at it, but innocent people are going to die because of European arrogance and stubborness on the part of some of them...deaths that could have been avoided if they had simply learned not to give in to terrorist demands. As has been said, pride comes before a fall.

Melody and Instruments for the soul...

[Galmin]

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Wish I could laugh at it, but innocent people are going to die because of European arrogance and stubborness on the part of some of them...deaths that could have been avoided if they had simply learned not to give in to terrorist demands.

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Terrorist demands? Hello? Please activate brain.



What part of the staged terrorist act leading to the obliteration of dissenting politicians, the creation of the Enabling Act and its consequences and the ultimate rise of the NSDAP is it that you do not understand?

[DreamTone7]

What part of "the bigger picture" do you not understand, Galmin?

Melody and Instruments for the soul...

[Galmin]

Look. When the Reichstag burned, official sources said that extreme left wing terrorists were the perpetrators. As in a terrorist act. At that time, noone even began to speculate that it in fact could be staged.



When the attack on the German radiostation from 'suspected polish troops' took place and the government said 'we're under attack', the attackwar was being sold as self defense ("Seit heute nacht, 4:45 Uhr wird zurückgeschossen!").



The Enabling Act watering down the civilian rights until they were no more.



I understand the bigger picture alright.

[DreamTone7]

Think bigger, Galmin. Think about Europes reaction to Hitler and the way they appeased him by virtually giving him Checkoslovakia and then Poland...hoping he would just "go away" and leave them (the rest) alone. Hitler did not do this...niether will the terrorists. Appeasment to them, of any kind, is a signal to them that what they are doing works, and they will continue to do it. If you do not appease them, hunt them down and take them out of action, it is much less likely that terrorism will become a popular method of persuasion.

[garbage detector]

"hunt them down and take them out of action,"

[DreamTone7]

Yep...and twice on Sundays.

Melody and Instruments for the soul...

[Galmin]

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Think bigger, Galmin. Think about Europes reaction to Hitler and the way they appeased him by virtually giving him Checkoslovakia and then Poland...hoping he would just "go away" and leave them (the rest) alone.

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"Virtually giving him Poland"? Germany was under attack! At least that was the official lie.

I do not know how much you know about WWII history, but the UK, Australia, New Zealand and France did declare war on Germany on September 3, 1939 when Poland was being invaded.



Where was your "we saved your collective butt from Hitler" nation back then? In appeasement mode!! It stayed in appeasement mode throughout all the German invasions, 2 whole years, and entered the war not because of Germany, but because it was being attacked by Japan!!

Edited by: Galmin  at: 12/8/04 10:57

[DreamTone7]

Galmin - "Germany was under attack! At least that was the official lie."



N/A...the other countries knew this not to be true (why you even mention this I do not know)



Galmin - "Where was your "we saved your collective butt from Hitler" nation back then?"



Busy saving England by shipping tons of supplies to them via convoy and keeping their "butts" alive, literally. But if we had tried to help earlier, there would most likely have been a ton of people like you who would have screamed at the top of their lungs "Stay out of our business!" as they were busy getting killed. I think we would hear a louder scream today if we went into Spain and "cleaned up" the terrorists for them...don't you think? The Europeans should have taken care of Hitler when they could...they were in a position to do so early on, but did not avail themselves of that opportunity. They let him continue to build up arms against the stupulations ironed out after WWI and did nothing to stop him. America would have had to have gone through another country in order to get to Germany then...and I don't think they would have liked it any more than Spain would today. Come on, man...think!

[Galmin]

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But if we had tried to help earlier, there would most likely have been a ton of people like you who would have screamed at the top of their lungs "Stay out of our business!" as they were busy getting killed.

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Thank you for the confidence, it is clear you do not know me at all.

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America would have had to have gone through another country in order to get to Germany then...and I don't think they would have liked it any more than Spain would today.

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Why? Did Germany in 1939 lack coast?

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Come on, man...think!

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I do. I think an unstable Europe and the armsdeal with Adolf had higher priority for the US than much of anything else.

[DreamTone7]

Galmin - "Why? Did Germany in 1939 lack coast?"



Again, come on, man...think! Could the US have driven their fragile landing craft across the Altlantic Ocean to reach this shore? Realistically, no way. And Germany knew it, too.



Galmin - "I do. I think an unstable Europe and the armsdeal with Adolf had higher priority for the US than much of anything else."



Oh...I see. And that is why the US risked it lives, ships and goods pushing a convoy across the Atlantic to keep Britain alive. Sorry Galmin...in view of the facts, what you suggest does not hold water. Are you familiar with the Pumpkin Papers, Galmin?

[Conal Rehill]

Already in the 1930s, when the socialist economy in Soviet Russia was developing rapidly, the same problem of US global power had engaged the attention of the US Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), a highly influential industry "think tank" with important government connections. It asked, "was the [capitalist] western hemisphere self-sufficient, or did it require trade with other world areas to maintain its prosperity?"



In the 1940s, the same question urgently surfaced again, and while World War II was raging and Europe lay under the German occupation, the CFR wanted to know, "how self-contained was the western hemisphere compared to German-occupied Europe? "How much of the world's resources and territory did the US require to

maintain power and prosperity?"



Following a minutely comprehensive study it concluded that, "as a minimum, the US national interest involved free access to the markets and the raw materials of the British Empire, the Far East and the entire western

hemisphere."



Subsequently, a CFR recommendation to President Roosevelt and the Department of State, in October 1940, set out the results of detailed surveys by panels of experts on "the political, military, territorial and economic requirements of the United States in its potential leadership of the non-German world area, including the United Kingdom itself, the western

hemisphere and the Far East."



The realisation of plans based on this recommendation was frustrated by Japan's own ambitions to control the south-west Pacific and foiled by the Japanese pre-emptive strike on Pearl Harbour which precipitated a state of war between the US and Japan. The projected US-controlled non-German bloc was given the title of the "Grand Area". Initially, it was regarded as a temporary measure, but the early recommendations were then followed, in June 1941, by a memorandum

outlining a plan for a "world economy dominated by the United States". The 'liberation' of Europe and the fostering of American economic interests and culture across Europe was now considered essential to this plan for dominance, and this could be aided by waging a "destructive war over a large area of Europe" to create dependency and investment opportunity. 'Liberation' after such terrible destruction was the key to the cultural fostering of affection and gratitude towards America.



This led, in turn, to CFR proposals to establish an International Monetary Fund and World Bank. These were made public in February 1942.



Here, then, we can trace the beginnings of the US drive for global economic and military supremacy. Certainly, if plans for US world domination ever founder, it will not be for want of long-term planning!

[DreamTone7]

To imply that economic reasons are the only reasons for any country doing anything is to grossly misunderstand the dynamic of the human species. I sense that somebody (Mr. conal) has an axe to grind.

Melody and Instruments for the soul...