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Seismic Anamoly



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 6:12 am    Post subject: More Lies - More Fabrication Reply with quote

WHY do they do it, knowing someone will expose it??



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CHRISTMAS IN CAMBODIA



John Kerry served four months in Vietnam and 19 years in the U.S. Senate, but you could be forgiven if you thought those numbers were backwards. With the constant focus on Kerry's military record and almost complete disregard for his career in government, you'd swear that he served a brief stint in the U.S. Senate and two decades in Vietnam. That's not to downplay his service in Vietnam, where he provided a brave and admirable service to the nation. But if Kerry is asking for votes based on his war record, then voters also have the right to consider statements he's made since returning from war.



Which brings us to Christmas in Cambodia.



In 1986, Nicaraguan contras continued a fierce fight, with some support from the U.S. government, against their Marxist Sandinista government. Senator John Kerry was very critical of U.S. involvement in Nicaragua and he often spoke out against increased U.S. support for the resistance. On March 27, 1986, Kerry delivered a speech on the floor of the Senate denouncing the Reagan administration's Central American policy and to warn against creating another Vietnam. But what made Kerry's speech noteworthy was not so much his position on Nicaragua, but rather a statement he made during the speech regarding his war experience two decades earlier:



"I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the President of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared - seared - in me..."



It was a powerful statement, intended to demonstrate the inherent dangers in widening a war without first demonstrating a clear benefit to the United States. Kerry's claim - that he was secretly and illegally ordered into Cambodia by a President who denied ever sending him there - was extraordinarily affecting and disturbing.



It was also completely untrue.



According to a recent book written by men who served with Kerry in Vietnam, Kerry's story is a complete fabrication. In fact, every living commander in Kerry's chain of command has confirmed that Kerry's story is false. And three of five crewmen on Kerry's boat also deny it ever happened. (The remaining two declined to speak to the authors of the book.)



Not only do all these men deny that they or Kerry were in Cambodia on Christmas or Christmas Eve of 1968, they have said that none of them were ever in Cambodia.



So that memory that was seared - seared - in him... seems dubious at best. It would be nice to believe that Kerry merely misspoke, but that does not seem to be the case. In a Boston Globe interview, Kerry said the following:



"I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real."



Basically the same story, but this time accusing Richard Nixon by name. One problem: On Christmas Eve of 1968, LBJ was president, not Richard Nixon. So to summarize so far, John Kerry didn't serve in a place a man who wasn't president denied ever ordering troops into.



If it seems like we're just dredging up embarrassing old quotes and misstatements, consider that John Kerry has repeated his story as recently as 1992 and it has appeared in biographical books as recently as a couple years ago.



Faced with growing skepticism about the Christmas in Cambodia story, a Kerry spokesman tried to explain: "[Kerry] had a mistaken recollection earlier... He has since corrected the record to say it was some place on a river near Cambodia and he is certain that at some point subsequent to that he was in Cambodia. My understanding is that he is not certain about the date."



So that memory that was seared - seared - in him... was apparently a little h
But what the Kerry campaign paints as an innocent mistake, when put in context, completely discredits the point Kerry was trying to make in the earlier quotes. He was telling the story to warn against widening U.S. military action, as he had supposedly participated in with his Christmas in Cambodia story. He warned against taking presidents at their word, as one had lied about his actions in 1968.



Now the story seems to be that he was merely approaching somewhere in the general surrounding vicinity of an area remotely near a place that kind of looked like the outskirts of the border of Cambodia.



And remember, his new claim that he was ordered there "at some point" is directly contradicted by nearly all of his superior officers and crewmates.



To be clear, John Kerry's service in Vietnam is not, and has never been, in question.



His honesty and integrity are now another story.






Lying; the favorite pastime of American politicians.













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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:47 am    Post subject: Re: More Lies - More Fabrication Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 5:55 am    Post subject: Re: More Lies - More Fabrication Reply with quote

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Hanoi John should have left Vietnam out of his campaign...it's gonna bite him in the Ass.













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