First French gay marriage annulled

Galmin · The King has spoken! Joined: 30 Dec 2001 Posts: 1711

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To blanketly cite all changes in law as being for the better falls right into line with the modern trend

I didn't say that.

It's a process, some changes are better than others. Though the overall general course of the entire process is, IMNSHO, for the better. I also stated that it will never be perfect.

Do you believe lawchanges are executed because of a certain urge to accieve the opposite of improvement?

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Please explain something to me:

DT claims that 50 years ago is recent.

Rev claims that some 100 years is very long ago.

Where is the breakingpoint from recent to very long ago? 75 years? 76?

Rev9Volts · Joined: 10 Jul 2003 Posts: 1327

it is all relative... usa is a young country... so esprcially anything before ww1 to the great depression in the 1930s is a long time ago. of course with europe being thousands of years old ww2 is a recent blip on the screen.

DreamTone7 · Joined: 20 Sep 2002 Posts: 2571

Galmin - "Do you believe lawchanges are executed because of a certain urge to accieve the opposite of improvement?"

No...but I do believe that they are changed for reasons other than improvement. This often results in non-improvement, or degradation, with regards to the moral values under which this country was first established. Baby steps down the slippery moral slope...but they all add up over time.

Galmin · The King has spoken! Joined: 30 Dec 2001 Posts: 1711

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This often results in non-improvement, or degradation, with regards to the moral values under which this country was first established. Baby steps down the slippery moral slope...but they all add up over time.

To summarize; according to you, laws are morally degenerating through the course of time.

I could be wrong here, but the 'moral values' under wich the USA was first established, wasn't that the values of tolerance and multitude?

Has the 'moral values' perhaps mutated into the very ones that forced people to flee to the USA in the first place?

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Being a hetero, I still can acknowledge that some other legal sexual preference:

1, doesn't threaten me.

2, has the equal right to exist as my own.

DreamTone7 · Joined: 20 Sep 2002 Posts: 2571

Galmin - "To summarize; according to you, laws are morally degenerating through the course of time."

I didn't say all laws...as you infer here by not saying "some" laws.

Galmin - "I could be wrong here, but the 'moral values' under wich the USA was first established, wasn't that the values of tolerance and multitude?

Has the 'moral values' perhaps mutated into the very ones that forced people to flee to the USA in the first place?"

Placed within the context of this discussion, it is apparent that you know little about the history of our founding fathers and the constitutional framers. I really don't know how to answer this as it makes no sense to me.

Galmin - "Being a hetero, I still can acknowledge that some other legal sexual preference:

1, doesn't threaten me.

2, has the equal right to exist as my own."

I agree. I refer only to the act...not the people. It isn't immoral/illegal to want to kill someone as long as you don't do it.

Rev9Volts · Joined: 10 Jul 2003 Posts: 1327

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I could be wrong here, but the 'moral values' under wich the USA was first established, wasn't that the values of tolerance and multitude?

hardly galmin... it was to start a new country where they could worship as they wanted...

the early settlers like the "pilgrams" tried to convert the injuns and killed "witches".

it was a theocracy....

let's kill witches!!!