First French gay marriage annulled

[Rev9Volts]

good for them!!!

[MIKE BURN]

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First French gay marriage annulled



CNN/Tuesday, July 27, 2004 Posted: 1034 GMT (1834 HKT)



BORDEAUX, France (Reuters) -- A French court annulled France's first gay marriage on Tuesday, setting a legal precedent outlawing same-sex marriages.



"The tribunal declared null and void the marriage between Mr. Stephane Chapin and Mr. Bertrand Charpentier," the court in the southwestern city of Bordeaux said in its ruling.



The government had opposed the marriage on June 5 in the town hall of Begles, a suburb of Bordeaux, and suspended local Mayor Noele Mamere who conducted the ceremony.



The decision is sure to upset gay rights activists who had hailed the marriage as a victory for tolerance. Conservatives had said the wedding was an attack on the sanctity of marriage.



French law allows civil unions between homosexuals but gays say this puts them at a disadvantage in terms of tax, inheritance and adoption rights.

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[DreamTone7]

"...the wedding was an attack on the sanctity of marriage."



Bingo.



"French law allows civil unions between homosexuals but gays say this puts them at a disadvantage in terms of tax, inheritance and adoption rights."



There are ways around the money issue...if that's really the only reason a gay would want to get married. But as far as adoption goes, GOOD! I don't think gays should be allowed to adopt. It's not fair to the child, nor the future progeny of said child.

[Rev9Volts]

what you don't think 2 mommies are good? then

[MIKE BURN]

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Same-sex spouse denied passport under new name



CNN/Tuesday, July 27, 2004 Posted: 10:15 AM EDT (1415 GMT)



SPRINGFIELD, Massachusetts (AP) -- A man who married his partner of 23 years after gay marriage was legalized in Massachusetts is having trouble getting a new passport.



Donald Henneberger, formerly Donald Smith, recently received a letter from the National Passport Center in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, denying his request for a name change on his passport. The center said it would not recognize a marriage license for a same-sex couple as proof of a name change.



The center addressed the letter to "Mr. Henneberger."



Henneberger married his partner Arthur Henneberger in May, when same-sex marriages became legal in the Bay State. On the marriage license, the couple checked a box that automatically changes the last names of the partners to whatever they request.



The letter from the National Passport Center cites the federal Defense of Marriage Act, which states a marriage can only be between a man and a woman, and a spouse can only refer to a person of the opposite sex.



Donald Henneberger said he had no trouble with the Social Security Administration, another federal agency, when he requested a card in his new name.



He and his partner now have gone to Probate Court to get further proof of Henneberger's name change.



"The woman at Probate Court said, 'What do you want to do -- change your name to Henneberger? It's already Henneberger,"' Donald Henneberger said.



Rep. Richard Neal's office advised the Hennebergers to return to court, and this time the court would initiate the name change. The couple had sought the Democratic congressman's help.



"You have to publicize your intent, demonstrate that you are not changing your name for fraudulent purposes and then you have to appear before a judge," said Jennifer Levi, a professor at Western New England School of Law. She said the Probate Court name-change process is cumbersome.



Henneberger balks at spending $180 in court fees and waiting for the eight-week process to run its course.



"It's discriminatory," he said.

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[DreamTone7]

""It's discriminatory," he said."



YES IT IS!!!...



...in the same way it's discriminatory that men are not allowed in the ladies restroom. Gimme a break.



There is, after all, a need to be discriminating on certain issues...but they'll try and find a way to legitimatize what they have done in any way they can...including playing the "it's discriminatory" card. After all, what difference does a name change have anyhow? None, really. So why push the issue unless the is an alterior motive?

[Rev9Volts]

ha ha i read this today...



"homosexuals couple weds to have an open marriage"

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Unstable unions

"Some proponents of same-sex marriage believe that its legalization will help same-sex partners be sexually faithful. The evidence, however, suggests that acceptance of the norm of sexual exclusivity is a minority view among homosexuals in the United States and elsewhere. Furthermore, because intimate relations between persons of the same sex are inherently — and not merely contingently — unconnected to procreation, there is no principled reason to limit same-sex marriage to two persons. Thus, one can reasonably predict that same-sex marriage is going to be intrinsically unstable. ... As if to confirm these points, the first same-sex couple to receive a marriage license in Provincetown, Mass., told the press that they had an 'open' marriage.

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when does the reception party start... perhaps the groom will had a quicky in the bath room with the best man?

Edited by: Rev9Volts at: 7/27/04 20:39

[NRKofOver]

I've deleted this original post because I reacted negatively and I don't like reacting negatively.



I will say however, that it's become clear why Steve left. I too am gone. I hope you all enjoy your generally one-sided board.

My music for the disenchanted masses

Edited by: NRKofOver at: 7/27/04 21:30

[Rev9Volts]

hmm always seemd one sided for sure liberals hating america. not that i mind but no one ever changed any one's mine in these "debates"

[Galmin]

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hmm always seemd one sided for sure liberals hating america.

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Prepare for them to start loving it, come November.





As for NRK leaving:



"No, not so villaine, thou beliest thy selfe, Here stand a paire of honourable men, A third is fled that had a hand in it: I thanke you Princes for my daughters death, Record it with your high and worthie deedes, 'Twas brauely done, if you bethinke you of it."

-William Shakespeare

[DreamTone7]

Galmin - "Prepare for them to start loving it, come November."



So, you really think Kerry is going to win?

[Galmin]

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So, you really think Kerry is going to win?

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Is there any dispute?

[Rev9Volts]

so galmin would you be so kind to translate the shakespear thingy into american?

[DreamTone7]

I don't know....



Most recent (7/27) poll of 21 states show Bush ahead in 13 of them. Since we elect through the electorial college here, it does not really matter as much what the general public thinks. It is possible for a person to win even if the majority of the public do not vote for him. Strange but true.



I think it's too close to call, yet.

[MIKE BURN]

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NRKofOver



I've deleted this original post because I reacted negatively and I don't like reacting negatively.



I will say however, that it's become clear why Steve left. I too am gone. I hope you all enjoy your generally one-sided board.



My music for the disenchanted masses

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Hmmmmm.... I missed to read the original and I therefore do not know what your main problem now is/was.



Why is the board here "one-sided"?



At least me I do not like to fight the battles here all alone against the neo-cons



On the other hand, the topic here is (oh wow) NOT about Bush. It's about same sex-marriage and while I have nothing against gays I strongly oppose same-sex marriage. Same sex mariage does not fit into my worldview. I believe in family, children and cultural values. Same sex marriage is not compatible with my listed set of values. This does not make me a evil person like gays are not evil persons by definition.