Israel and US flout International Court of Justice ruling

[DreamTone7]

Your post, Galmin, does not provide any evidence that Palestine has been recognized as a nation. Close...but no cigar. Israel has laid claim to the land that already belonged to it...and not the Palestinian people.



It would be the same as if someone invaded Germany, then later gave back half of the land. German people would certainly try to take control of the rest of the land that was already theirs before the invasion took place. But now we have Palestinians living their who claim it is now their land. I don't think so.

[DreamTone7]

And all that the UN and many other countries have done over the past many years is foster the situation that has developed there. Now, because of such things, the Palestinians are feeling justified in refusing to yield the land to its rightful owner. That's what happens when you believe a lie.

[Galmin]

The General Assembly has decided (150-6)

[Galmin]

My three points.



1) No wall on occupied territory.



2) Israel can build any walls it want in Israel.

I'll send a sack of concrete to help them if Israel limit the wall-building to its own land. Does such a wall by any chance not hinder suicide bombings in Israel? If so, why?



3) "Temporary" walls simply do not exist, the Berlin wall was said to be a temporary wall when it first was raised. The Berlin wall was built on occupied territory.

[DreamTone7]

Galmin - "1) No wall on occupied territory.



2) Israel can build any walls it want in Israel.

I'll send a sack of concrete to help them if Israel limit the wall-building to its own land. Does such a wall by any chance not hinder suicide bombings in Israel? If so, why?"



And since occupied territory is IN Israel?





Galmin - "3) "Temporary" walls simply do not exist, the Berlin wall was said to be a temporary wall when it first was raised. The Berlin wall was built on occupied territory."



Need I remind you that the Berlin Wall came down?

[Galmin]

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Need I remind you that the Berlin Wall came down?

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No. It was, however, no 'temporary' wall.

[Galmin]

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And since occupied territory is IN Israel?

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You're not serious, are you?

[DreamTone7]

Yep.

[Galmin]

I see, just like Denmark was a part of Germany under its occupation, Iraq a US State until recently and Kuwait actually Iraq the day Saddams tanks entered the country.

[DreamTone7]

Similarly...but you've got it backwards. The Palestinians are doing the "occupying".

[Galmin]

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Similarly...but you've got it backwards. The Palestinians are doing the "occupying".

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As in "taking up space"?



Deport the Palestinians, deport them! There's nothing like some ethnic clensing! Bla bla bla!

[DreamTone7]

Yep...space that belongs to Israel. Just as it has for a long, long time. Long before "Palestine" was even a word.

[Seismic Anamoly]

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Deport the Palestinians, deport them! There's nothing like some ethnic clensing! Bla bla bla!

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Hey!! Here's a GREAT example for the Israelis to follow!!!

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Germany deports 50,000 immigrants a year



By Elizabeth Zimmerman

2 October 2003



The current policy in Germany of widespread detention of those awaiting deportation was introduced when the right of asylum, originally guaranteed in the German constitution of 1949, was largely abolished in 1993. The imprisonment of asylum-seekers is based on paragraph 57 of the Aliens Act, a paragraph with a long and terrible tradition. Its forerunner was paragraph 7 of the Aliens Police Regulation, which goes back to the days of @#%$ rule, and was in force from 1938 to 1965, enabling the forcible deportation of foreigners who refused to leave the country voluntarily. Detention pending deportation served to prepare and effect this measure.



Today, any foreigner residing in Germany without legal immigration status can be arrested and placed in detention pending deportation. This includes refugees who are refused asylum, civil war refugees whose right to remain has not been extended, and immigrants in the broadest sense, who either entered Germany without a valid visa or whose residence permit has expired.



Since the beginning of the 1990s, the law has allowed the detention of such people, in order to procure passports or travel documents before deporting them. Those affected are in a desperate situation lacking any recourse. The reason for their arrest is not any criminal offence they have committed, but restrictive German laws that turn them into “illegal immigrants.” Moreover, deportation detention can drag on for up to 18 months. During this time, people threatened with deportation are almost completely cut off of from the external world and can neither seek legal advice nor—if they prefer to leave the country “voluntarily”—even obtain their departure papers.



The Berlin Initiative Against Deportations has recently documented how many people are affected and, citing individual examples, has shown the desperate situation of many of those arrested.



According to the Initiative, over 50,000 migrants and asylum-seekers are deported from Germany each year, most of them by plane. Each day, 130 to 140 are returned to the conditions from which they fled—civil war, political persecution, dire economic hardship and regimes that suppress ethnic minorities and women.



Deportees are frequently accompanied by the paramilitary German Border Police or private security agents, who are prepared to use force. Those who resist are beaten, restrained and injected with drugs. A number have already been killed, but the culprits and the authorities responsible have so far escaped prosecution. The dead and abused refugees and immigrants are consciously accepted as the price of a brutal deportation practice.



Since 1993, 99 people have taken their own lives or died trying to avoid deportation, 45 while in detention.



Those migrants who have work, whose children were born here and go to school, or are undertaking an apprenticeship and are fully integrated into society, can also face deportation. A sinister statement issued in December 2001 makes clear that this is the declared policy of the Social Democratic-Green Party government: “The government will also in future undertake all steps required to safely and securely return foreigners subject to deportation—if necessary, also against their will.”

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www.wsws.org/articles/200...-o02.shtml