Israel and US flout International Court of Justice ruling

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By Chris Marsden

13 July 2004



One can confidently predict that that United States and Britain will do everything in their power to prevent the United Nations Security Council from condemning Israel’s so-called security wall. They will act to oppose the July 9 ruling by the International Court of Justice (ICJ)—the UN’s highest judicial authority—that the planned 425-mile barrier that slices into occupied Palestinian territory on the West Bank and annexes East Jerusalem was illegal under international law and should be torn down.



The judges voted by 14 to 1 that “Israel is under an obligation to terminate its breaches of international law; it is under an obligation to cease forthwith the works of construction of the wall being built in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, to dismantle forthwith the structure therein situated”.



The advisory opinion is non-binding and was sought by the UN General Assembly in December at the request of the Palestinian Authority (PA). The ruling also determined that the lands captured by Israel in the 1967 war, including East Jerusalem, are occupied territory.



Significantly, The Hague court’s judgement rules that the wall’s illegality arises not only because of its disruption of Palestinian lives, but also because of its potential constraint on the Palestinian right of self-determination. This goes much further than an earlier ruling by the Israeli High Court on June 30, which called on the Israeli army to re-route a 20-mile stretch of the wall situated north of Jerusalem because of its impact on the Palestinian population.



The previous week Sharon had taken another opportunity to express his contempt for the UN that was provided by a visit to Israel by the head of the UN’s International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei on July 6. ElBaradei had called for Israel to abandon its “weapons of mass destruction”, referring to the existence of an estimated 200 nuclear warheads that can be delivered by long-range ballistic missiles, advanced war planes, and in the near future possibly even launched by submarine. Israel adopts a policy of refusing to confirm the existence or non-existence of such weapons. It has never signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and is therefore not subject to either inspections or sanctions by the IAEA.



Israel consistently flouts the authority of the UN, an offense that has seen Iraq punished with years of stringent sanctions and tonnes of bombs. Israel carries out crimes against humanity that include the killing of thousands of Palestinians and the reduction of the Palestinian people to a state of near-starvation, with two-thirds of West Bank citizens living on less than one dollar a day. And it continues to actively pursue both the development and use of weapons of mass destruction, including a nuclear capability that was never enjoyed by Saddam Hussein.



Yet, in the case of Israel, the Bush administration and all its international clout is used to prevent and sabotage any action that might act to curb the illegal activities of its Middle Eastern client.



The sole basis for this contradiction is to be found not in the relative characters of the Iraqi and Israeli governments, despite America’s constant stress on the democratic character of the latter, but because Israel is considered an ally of the US and its ongoing efforts to subjugate the Middle East and ensure American corporations control the region’s oil supplies.

[DreamTone7]

I'd fight an illegal ruling, too.

[LarreeMP3]

90% reduction in terrorist attacks. The wall stays.

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[questionnaire]

"90% reduction in terrorist attacks. The wall stays" - Larree



It's only storing up bigger trouble for the future Larree, like a boiler building up pressure.

[DreamTone7]

Q - Those wheels were set in motion over 50 years ago when the Israelis allowed the Palestinians to stay. This "problem" will have to run its course before the "pressure" can be relieved. So it was with the Cold War.

[HKRockChick]

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when the Israelis allowed the Palestinians to stay.

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[Galmin]

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when the Israelis allowed the Palestinians to stay.

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Yeah, they should have solved the Palestinian problem, right? Maybe first with deportations... confiscating all they ever had.

After that? Who knows?

[DreamTone7]

OK. I guess it's necessary to use my analogy again, because people just don't seem to get it. You have a house and are forced off YOUR land. When you are allowed to return to YOUR land, there are a group of people living on it. What do you do?



At first there is no problem...but eventually they start making demands that concern YOUR land...now what do you do?



Then, when not all of their demands are met about YOUR land, they start terrorist activities. NOW what do you do?



I think Israel has been more than generous with how they have dealt with the Palestinians over the past 50 or so years. And now we see it's bitten them in the butt. If they had just kicked them off of THEIR (Israels) land when they returned to it, all of this would never have happened. But now that the world (for the most part) has bought into the Palestinian lie that it's THEIR land, and always has been ...they seem to feel justified for all the terrorist activity. None of this would have happened if Israel had asked them to leave in the beginning...or if the world would wake up and smell the coffee about the lie that has been allowed to stay around so long, that most people now accept it for the truth. I have challenged this board to come up with proof that Palestine is a nation and has the right to ANY land whatsoever, but have yet to see ANY proof. WELL...WHERE IS IT???

[Rev9Volts]

good for us it is our time to rule the world!!!

[MIKE BURN]

I found a PERFECT comment from a intelligent man from Greece:

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The wall is technically a military device, under military supervision.



The Israeli colonies in the West Bank are there technically for "military purposes". Tell me of another country that uses its civilian population for military purposes, sends them to occupied land as human shields and then complains that they are coming under attack and exploits the fact to build a "separation" wall and other "facts on the ground".



What a disgrace and what hypocrisy on us Western democracies who support such behaviour.



I think we will witness the day when a US president will tell the Palestinians that it is "unrealistic" for them to demand water, food and jobs (freedom has already been sacrificed according to Bush) and that they'd better die accepting "the facts in front of them".



-Oscar Lima, Athens, Greece

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[DreamTone7]

Oscar Lima...obviously another man who has swallowed the big Palestinian lie. (Leave a lie unanswered long enough, and people will begin to believe it is the truth.) What he describes is more like a police action because it occurs on Israeli territory. What ever else he says is unimportant. I see, Mike, that you have ignored the fact that Palestine is not a nation, and therefore is not recognized as having ANY land under its control. So noted.

[MIKE BURN]

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I see, Mike, that you have ignored the fact that Palestine is not a nation, and therefore is not recognized as having ANY land under its control. So noted.

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So you think in your helpless "defense" of your own fantasyland-lie that the U.N. also did "swallow" the Palestinian lie and urged therefore Israel in countless resolutions to respect the borderlines of Palestine?



Like the U.N. I also feel that Israel was NON-existing until 1948, not to speak of the fact that "Israel" as a nation also did not exist 2,000 years before. Several British politicians in the last decades have voiced their anger about their own countrie's decision back in the 40's of this century, to annex a piece of land in a region where no Jew had been sighted for over 2,000 years because noone wanted to have "Israel" in Nevada or somewhere in the Canadian Rocky Mountains. When I remember right the support of "North-America" for the "Jewish nation" was so overwhealming that ships with Jewish refugees were denied to cross the seaborder security zone or even were sent back or shot at.



Man, you're truly exciting in your effort to tell people, who know about history, that only the wish-wash of the U.S. and Israel lead to the final truth.

[DreamTone7]

Mike - "So you think in your helpless "defense" of your own fantasyland-lie that the U.N. also did "swallow" the Palestinian lie and urged therefore Israel in countless resolutions to respect the borderlines of Palestine?"



How can you be legally told to respect the boundries of a country that does not now, or ever did, officially exist?



BTW, I won't comment on the "final truth" you refer to as I'm not sure exactly what you mean...but I hope it is nothing like Hitler's "final solution".



There is only one place for Israel...in the same land they have occupied, off and on, for over 3,000 years. But you are wrong in saying that the Israelis were not there 2,000 years ago...so perhaps you need the history lesson. Remember a man named Jesus who was crucified around then? Israel was occupied by the Romans at the time...the same way France and parts of Germany were. The man named in the Bible, Pontius Pilate, is the same man historical records have found to be the Roman in charge of the land in and around Jerusalem. As time goes by, the Bible is historically proven correct...again and again. But even if you don't buy it, you must buy that the Jews, according to historical records, were there 2,000 years ago...without a Palestinian around to be found.

[Galmin]

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the UN proposed the partitioning of Palestine into two independent States, one Palestinian Arab and the other Jewish, with Jerusalem internationalized (Resolution 181 (II) of 1947). One of the two States envisaged in the partition plan proclaimed its independence as Israel and in the 1948 war expanded to occupy 77 per cent of the territory of Palestine. Israel also occupied the larger part of Jerusalem. Over half the indigenous Palestinian population fled or were expelled. Jordan and Egypt occupied the other parts of the territory assigned by the partition resolution to the Palestinian Arab State which did not come into being.



In the 1967 war, Israel occupied the remaining territory of Palestine, until then under Jordanian and Egyptian control (the West Bank and Gaza Strip). This included the remaining part of Jerusalem, which was subsequently annexed by Israel. The war brought about a second exodus of Palestinians, estimated at half a million. Security Council resolution 242 (1967) of 22 November 1967 called on Israel to withdraw from territories it had occupied in the 1967 conflict.



In 1974, the General Assembly reaffirmed the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination, national independence and sovereignty, and to return. The following year, the General Assembly established the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People. The General Assembly conferred on the PLO the status of observer in the Assembly and in other international conferences held under United Nations auspices.

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[LarreeMP3]

The FACT that all of you gloss over is that there would already be peace between Israel and Palestine if not for that murdering terrorist bastard, arafat. Someone should off him already.

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