Mike Burn - defamation of character

[RonOnGuitar]

I noted: "if anti-Semitism were so easily identified with only those who marched around wearing swastikas, Steve. Though I grant it would certainly make things easier for not only Jews, but the civilised world. Jews, like black people, have no such illusion about those who hate them, no matter how politely. They know excusing the psuedo-political rhetoric of the subtle, "polite bigotry" to be a common phenom among the haters."

Quote:

---

Well, Ron, you can't edit that out now

---

And I wouldn't want to, Steve. You, of course, have the right to believe differently and are entitled to logically refute that observation if you disagree. Correct?

Quote:

---

who exactly are you accusing?

---

You cited the "N" word

Quote:

---

N-a-z-i

---

Last I heard they were/are the ones who march in uniforms adorned with swastikas. The board correctly filters out the term, since people have used it to wrongly attack Mike. Interestingly enough, many angry, emotional critics of America use the same term to wrongly attack Americans and it's leaders. So the term thankfully cannot be used (at least here) as a verbal attack on a person or group as a "buzzword", even though it's a legit term & found in any dictionary. Any "innocent"-abusive term is wrong.



As I said, verbal subtleties are not unique to any group that has experienced historical oppression. For example, there are those who denounce Africa and Africans (and their descendents) using perfectly acceptable English terms, e.g. "welfare mothers" = black women and "boy" is a derogatory remark to a mature black man. Such terms can easily be defended by saying "Well, the words are in the dictionary!", but that's an intellectually and morally wrong defence.



Also I would consider it wrong for someone to threaten a black poster here with an invite to a physical beating. It's wrong to use such tatics when dealing with a person of a minority group.



But there are some fun unintentional slips to be found. And I don't think they are intended as much from personal issues as a lack of knowledge of world & comparative religion. e.g. When you tore into Larree about Jews:

Quote:

---

You have not been sacred cows since 1967

---

You didn't know you were making a derogatory remark on the belief of one great world religion (Hinduism) to serve notice to followers of another great world religion. As I said, it was likely innocent and it gave me a chuckle.

Edited by: RonOnGuitar at: 7/11/04 7:58

[questionnaire]

Ron, read through your post with objective eyes, will you? You're not thinking coherently, you're just grasping at straws. And you're rambling. Please learn to think and write more concisely, people don't have time to wade through your prattle. You do indeed present yourself as a pompous windbag, Ron, as Debbie's e-mail correspondent said. I would do something about it, I really would.



Saying that the Jews have not been sacred cows since 1967 makes me a Jew-hater??? What the treatment of the Palestinians shows is that Jews are just normal human beings and can be as bad as anyone else when they perceive their backs to be up against the wall. Your accusation is pathetic. As for my use of the common metaphor 'sacred cow' being an insult to Hindus - that is not even worthy of serious comment.



The lengths you will go in your forlorn attempt to spread poison. You're like a snake with no bite, Ron, you're teeth fell out long ago, and you resort to puerile smearing, tedious language-policing and character assassination. Raise your game or sling your hook, Ron, this is a tedious, and it makes you look stupid in the eyes of intelligent people.



As far as I am concerned, the subject is closed, and if you use the term anti-semite in reference to me again I will merely paste the this post and complain yet again to the administrator.

[RonOnGuitar]

Quote:

---

Saying that the Jews have not been sacred cows

---

Hmmm.....but I thought you claimed you weren't talking about Jews here.

Quote:

---

As for my use of the common metaphor 'sacred cow' being an insult to Hindus - that is not even worthy of serious comment.

---

You're right, that's why I said I got a chuckle out of the mis-metaphoral slip: I just ascribed it to being unaware of the beliefs of the world's great religions. Where you addressing a Hindu, you'd have a problem though: e.g. "I loathe you Hindus, you're no sacred cows" just wouldn't fly very well.

Quote:

---

the subject is closed

---

Wise choice, it's helpful overall to sometimes walk away and let things be.

[questionnaire]

When I say that the subject is closed, I mean closed, Ron, not an opportunity for you to have the last word.



Basically, Ron, not to put too fine a point on it, you are very stupid.



Let me put you straight on this. I work in one of Britains's most popular universities, which you can imagine is an extremely multicultural and cosmopolitan environment, and I teach students from all over the world, with all sorts of religious faiths, including Judaism and Islam. I have also travelled the globe, and still get the occasional opoportunity to do so.



I converse with a variety of people every day, Ron. and I never upset anyone, because I'm not that sort of person. I have heard the expression 'sacred cow' used in front of Hindus and by Hindus, and no-one gets upset. In fact, the only time I can remember anyone commenting on it was when a young Hindu student rather proudly informed us all of the origin of the metaphor, which resulted in a brief discussion from which everyone learnt a little.



When will you get it through your thick head that you have nothing to teach me, or anyone else here?



Go away, will you?

[questionnaire]

..... btw, it's metaphorical, not metaphoral.



*sigh* when will you learn that your constant attempt to feign intellectualism is transparent and pathetic?



Get out of here, Ron, it's embarrassing and humiliating for you.