The Gipper passes into history

[DreamTone7]

Q - "Then, perhaps, the world might become a little more peaceful, sane and cultured."



I sincerely doubt it. It seems that most of the anger, vitriol and bile on this board are coming from you. No doubt, assuming all us "cowboys" headed for a new and distant land, you would find something else to be the recepticle for your anger. The first step is to acknowledge the anger...and then deal with it. But before you can even do that, you have to take responsibility for it...after all, it is your anger. You don't attempt find seemingly plausible excuses to ladle it on to somebody else...after all, it's not anybody elses responsibility to deal with your anger. Whether you realize it or not, the excuses for your doing this are all part of your European conditioning! It's your anger...deal with it!

[Seismic Anamoly]

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It's hypocrisy, you paralexic cowboy.

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Methinks lil' Stevie needs a new diaper...and a nice clean Binky.



And most definitely some Sexual relief.



Come see me and I'll Brand Yer A$$, "Doc"...I got the Gloves if you got the Time.

[questionnaire]

Do you know how crass, stupid and tautological it is to personalize and psychologize a political argument, to reduce politics to personal emotions? Do you not know that this is a cultural trait of yours, because you have been programmed to see everything as emanating from the allegedly free-willed individual and subsequently you have no conception of multiple causality, structures, figurations and processes? Obviously not, and neither does Ron, because you both do it all the time.



Of course I get frustrated talking to tunnel-visioned right-wingers, but my anger is not the source of my anger. Get it? YOU are the source of my anger because your violence, stupidity and blind faith in god and the free-market is making the world a dangerous place.



Seismo, my work will go down fine in Nashville, as it always does with intelligent liberal Americans. I'm getting out of here, it's too exasperating, but here's one last parting shot. Get hold of the English philosopher John Gray's book 'Al Queda and What It Means to be Modern'. I've read literally thousands of books on philosophy, politics, and history over the years, but this one sums up the main problem quite clearly. The big problem of pre-modernity and modernity's past, which Judaism, Christianity, Islam, communism, N-a-z-i-s-m and now global free-market capitalism represent, is the lunatic ambition to impose singular forms of religion, culture, politics and economics on as many people as possible. Partially avoiding this - i.e. allowing religious and cultural differences to exist whilst imposing a single competitive-individualist politico-economic system on everybody, which is the current way of the USA's domestic and foreign policies - is not good enough, and it will cause trouble, in fact possibly more trouble than trying to control everything like the communists did.



Think about it - imposing a brutally competitive free-market economic system on the world whilst allowing religious cultures to exist as receptacles of resentment isn't very bright, is it? But trying to snuff out different religious cultures will just cause even more trouble. It's a zero-sum game, and nobody will win except the armaments manufacturers and the undertakers. Gray argues persuasively for a democratic diversity, but it must be a true diversity in all dimensions - religious, cultural, political and economic. When Ron and others come on this board shoving their ideal of 'America' down people's throats it's not too important in itself, but the underlying process that it represents is very real and very dangerous. There is no real diversity in America at all, because a single political and economic system is imposed on everyone, and Americans make a big thing out of superficial cultural differences to sustain the illusion.



It will remain one of history's greatest ironies and missed opportunities that had the Soviet Union and the USA actually allowed each other's extreme basal differences to develop and military strength to remain even, we would not now be heading for another global war. Just get out of other people's countries, and stop shoving your way of life down their throats.

[DreamTone7]

Q - "YOU are the source of my anger because your violence, stupidity and blind faith in god and the free-market is making the world a dangerous place."



No. I see that you do indeed refuse to accept responsibility for your own emotions, and continue to expell them all over other people...blaming them for what you feel in the quote above. You don't even know me...all you see is words on a computer screen. And if it is indeed words that make you angry (and not something else...though I doubt it), then the solution is simple: Stop reading these words! But until you accept responsibility for your own emotions, and deal with them, I can guarentee you that your anger will still be with...you will take it with you wherever you go...



...and woe betide the unsuspecting innocent person who has unwittingly given you the pre-programmed excuse (that's right...excuse, not reason) to dump all over them.

[Seismic Anamoly]

Nashville is a really nice place.



November 17-20.



The Titans play the Bears at home on the 14th.



Cool.

[Seismic Anamoly]

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YOU are the source of my anger because your violence, stupidity and blind faith...

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Well, Damn, "Doc"...while your in Nashville, mosey on down and DO something about it...if you have the Nerve.



You Don't.



Don't Just Sing It; Bring It.

Edited by: Seismic Anamoly  at: 6/10/04 18:38

[questionnaire]

.... I just can't cope with this level of stupidity. It scares me. Goodbye.

[Seismic Anamoly]

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I just can't cope....

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Awwww....Don't Worry....Be Happy....



"Doc".

[questionnaire]

I'm not worried, Seismo, old chap.



It's you that needs to do the worrying. Your lifestyle is unsustainable, and eventually you will have to pay a price for your global oppression since 1948. Your 'freedom' to guzzle cheap food and roar around the place on your dumb motor-bikes like a bunch little kiddies at the funfair is premised on the gross exploitation of 3rd world countries and the deaths of millions of 3rd world peasants.



I'm not blaming you personally for this, because your only contribution is to refuse to face the reality of the present global politico-economic system. Let's hope that the West can mend its ways before we all have to pay a price for this.

[Rev9Volts]

every body has done it that could egypt, rome france spain germany england now it is out turn.

[HKRockChick]

all of you who really think rr was a saint, read this:



www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5167791/



The only thing he had going for him was his charisma, which he used to great effect. I'll readily admit he was wonderfully likeable. Unfortunately he was also wicked and didnt care who died in the process of his protecting US interests, as he saw it.



Can anyone tell me what he REALLY REALLY did that was good, besides fire up fundamental patriotism which is truly damaging to the world, and restoring Americas morale and sense of pride? And don't tell me he brought down the wall because he didn't. There were simply heaps of other forces at play here.



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"Reagan fired 13,000 air traffic controllers in 1981 after they staged a work stoppage, and he appointed members of the National Labor Relations Board who were hostile to union organizing. His interior secretary, James G. Watt, and senior Environmental Protection Agency officials infuriated environmentalists by assaulting safeguards and aggressively attempting to open public lands in the West to private developers.

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Reagan, during his 1980 campaign, blamed trees for emitting 93 percent of the nation's nitrogen oxide pollution -- giving rise to jokes about "killer trees."

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"The combination of a huge "supply-side" tax cut, a historic military buildup and a painful two-year recession produced huge budget deficits and a near tripling of the national debt that haunted the country and policymakers for years and drained resources from social programs. And the administration showed indifference to an emerging AIDS crisis in the early 1980s. By the time Reagan delivered his first speech on the epidemic in May 1988 -- about eight months before he left office -- the disease had been diagnosed in more than 36,000 Americans, and 20,849 had died."



"Bitburg visit

Reagan's June 12, 1987, speech at the Brandenburg Gate calling on Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev to "tear down" the Berlin Wall has been widely seen as the apogee of his moral leadership abroad. But even his top aides considered his decision to go to a German military cemetery two years earlier as the nadir."



"Ignoring pleas from Jewish leaders and numerous liberal and conservative thinkers, Reagan attended a commemorative ceremony in Bitburg where 49 soldiers of the Waffen SS were among the 2,000 buried. The White House insisted the president had no choice but to honor the invitation of Chancellor Helmut Kohl. But Holocaust survivor and Nobel Prize-winning author Elie Wiesel condemned the visit as an insensitive act that "wounded" Jews worldwide and distorted history by equating Holocaust victims with @#%$ soldiers."



"Following in the footsteps of the Democratic Carter administration, Reagan surreptitiously supported mujaheddin rebels in Afghanistan in their prolonged battle against occupying Soviet forces. As part of that initiative, the CIA supported Muslim radicals from other Islamic countries. One of the first non-Afghan volunteers to join the ranks of the mujaheddin was Osama bin Laden."



"Iraq as lesser of two evils

Reagan pursued one other foreign policy initiative that proved highly damaging to U.S. interests in the post-Sept. 11, 2001, era. Fearing that Iranian revolutionaries who had overthrown the shah and taken U.S. diplomats hostage might overrun the Middle East and its oil fields, the Reagan administration for five years provided military intelligence, economic aid and covert supplies of munitions to Iraq's armies in support of Saddam Hussein's war with Iran. The administration ignored Iraq's use of chemical weapons and treated Hussein's government as the lesser of two evils."



"The Reagan years were marred by scandals involving Watt and White House deputy chief of staff Michael K. Deaver. But the most damaging was known simply as "Iran-contra.""

"The administration in 1984 secretly sold arms to Iran, a terrorist nation, to raise cash for Nicaraguan contra rebels, despite a congressional ban on support for the Latin American insurgency. An independent investigation concluded that the arms sales to Iran operations "were carried out with the knowledge of, among others, President Ronald Reagan [and] Vice President George Bush," and that "large volumes of highly relevant, contemporaneously created documents were systematically and willfully withheld from investigators by several Reagan Administration officials."



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What do you know?



Osama, the Taleban, Iran... can you say islamic fundamentalism? Not to mention Sadam... evil incarnate, befriended by rr and big mouth read my lips gb sr...



and now, counter history if you will.

[Rev9Volts]

minor details in the big sceam of things... hk although i can see how you would be easily confused that is okay we still luv ya...

[Seismic Anamoly]

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I'm getting out of here, it's too exasperating....

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I just can't cope with this level of stupidity. It scares me. Goodbye.

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Obviously Anal Retentive.



The child may defecate endlessly to receive pleasure even after promising to stop....yours just happens to spew from the opposite end.

[questionnaire]

Seismo, why do you always end up talking about children anuses, defecation and pleasure?



If we're going to get Freudian about it, it's very odd wor-association. Do you have special interests in that sort of thing?

[HKRockChick]

well of course you would say "minor details"... as is the bush lies etc, just minor details - collateral damage, what?



I'm sure the families whose children died and people who lost homes, people suffering from the cancers caused by DU and poisonings don't think they're minor details. Many of the dead WERE minors though.



Do you think 9/11 was a minor detail? I don't, but the terrorists do.



When we start thinking like this we lose all perspective and humanity and become as wicked as the people we condemn.



I glad you didnt attempt to dismiss history as not having happened, though, as some others would on this board.