Bush puts God on his side

[MIKE BURN]

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Last Updated: Sunday, 6 April, 2003, 00:30 GMT 01:30 UK



Bush convinced God wants him to engage the forces of evil



By Tom Carver

BBC Washington correspondent





Before September 11, President George W Bush kept his evangelical Christian beliefs largely to himself.



He had turned to God at the age of 40 as a way of kicking alcoholism, and his faith had kept him on the straight and narrow ever since, giving him the drive to reach the White House.



But all that changed on the day of the attacks on the Pentagon and World Trade Center.



Those close to Mr Bush say that day he discovered his life's mission.



He became convinced that God was calling him to engage the forces of evil in battle, and this one time baseball-team owner from Texas did not shrink from the task.



'Angels' country'



"We are in a conflict between good and evil. And America will call evil by its name," Mr Bush told West Point graduates in a speech last year.



In this battle, he placed his country firmly on the side of the angels.



"There is wonder-working power in the goodness and idealism of the American people," he said in this year's State of the Union address.



This concept of placing America in God's camp sticks in the throat of a lot of American clergy.



"It is by no means certain that we are as pure as the driven snow or that our international policy is so pure," says Fritz Ritsch, Presbyterian minister in Bethesda, Maryland.



The Reverend Ritsch says it also makes their job as clerics harder by giving Christians in America an easy way out.



They do not need to examine their souls because their president has told them they are on the side of good.



"There is an opportunity here for spiritual enrichment in this country that is just getting missed."



Battle with anti-Christ



In fact, nearly all the mainland churches in America oppose this war, including Mr Bush's own church, the United Methodists.



Mr Bush is certainly not the first president to invoke God in time of war, but his approach is markedly different from his predecessors.



During America's Civil War, Abraham Lincoln did not claim that God was on his side.



In fact, in his famous second inaugural address, he said the war was a curse on both armies: "He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offence came."



Yet Mr Bush's rhetoric does have a huge audience.



One in three American Christians call themselves evangelicals and many evangelicals believe the second coming of Christ will occur in the Middle East after a titanic battle with the anti-Christ.



Does the president believe he is playing a part in the final events of Armageddon?



If true, it is an alarming thought.



But he would not be alone, as 59% of all Americans believe that what is written in the Bible's Book of Revelations will come to pass.



Winning formula



Tim LeHaye is an evangelical minister who has written 10 best-selling novels based on the Book of Revelations.



With exquisite timing, his 11th, called Armageddon, will be published next week.



By combining the apocalypse with a Tom Clancy style, Mr LeHaye has found a winning formula.



After the attacks on the World Trade Center, the minister became America's best-selling novelist in 2001, beating even John Grisham.



In his latest novel we see the anti-Christ, armed with nuclear weapons, setting up camp at New Babylon in Iraq.



The millions of Americans who believe in the biblical prophecies see this war in a very particular way and among them, George Bush's stark talk of good versus evil plays very well.



If America prevails, millions will say it was divinely ordained.



But many others will suspect that it had more to do with the power of American weaponry than the active intervention of the Almighty.

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[LarreeMP3]

But I suppose it is okay with you that Islamic extremists kill in G-D's name. I suppose it is okay with you that Islamic extremists kill innocent women and children on the streets in Israel, and in office buildings like the WTC in New York City. You are a no good hypocrite.



G-D is on our side because we are right.

[LarreeMP3]

Written by Rabbi Rafael Grossman



April 4, 2003



“Phony Europe, Blessed America”



Our world is rapidly changing. America is being awakened from its long deep euphoric sleep. Our lovers of old are now, when you need them most, almost enemies. Western Europe enjoys its economy and freedom because of America. We defended them in a bitter war against the Nazis and Fascists and saved Germany from Fascist ruin and the French from vichy dominance. Save for England and little Spain, Western Europe’s phony preachers of democracy won’t help in the war against Saddam, Hitler’s successor.



And why should they do battle against terrorists and murderers, in European eyes only money counts. America and its Allies are motivated to oppose terror and were it not for 9/11, who knows if the Americans would worry about Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction. Eastern Europe’s countries, the former republics and satellites of the Communist Soviet Union, to the surprise of many have joined ranks with the United States in this war. They do so as the wounds of tyrannical exploitation are fresh in their memories. Only fools who forget Stalin would not want to destroy

Saddam, Stalin’s most avid fan.



Western Europe has also become home for reemerging antisemitism. From Scandinavia to the French Riviera, a hate Jew process grows stronger each day. While many attribute this to European compassion for Arabs and Israel’s treatment of Palestinians, the cause has little to do with either. European antisemitism is as old as the continent itself and today’s events are but an excuse to do what they love most, blame the Jews.



Hate for America is most often a byproduct of antisemitism. It’s the Americans who have declared religious and racial bigotry non-acceptable social attitudes and it is in the United States where Jews have achieved prominence in all walks of human achievement and endeavor. For hundreds of years, Europeans denied Jews access to Universities and to many enterprises. Most Europeans knew about the German plan to exterminate the Jews, but only a few courageous and righteous non-Jews mad any effort to save their neighbors from destruction. Alone, Hitler could not have killed six million.



American Jews find it difficult to understand how France, with its six hundred thousand Jews could be so hostile to the United States and so indifferent to the raging first of antisemitism. But no one should be

surprised. The French have a long history of hypocrisy. Its poets and artists extolled the virtues of love, defined as power and money, narcissistic fulfillment and hedonistic obsession. The French could do no better than make pretensions of peace but are delighted to see pro-Israel America fight a war all by itself.



Not alone did the United States save the Germans from the tyrannical rule of Adolph Hitler, the worst of all murderers known to man, but America’s Marshall Plan gave that cursed country a chance to live as no country before ever did. Germany’s economy became the world’s strongest and Germans enjoy affluence as few other societies do. Could it be that Germans oppose the war because of their great “love for peace?” The blood of World War I and II has yet to dry. German opposition to the war fits the old Prussian lust for power and admiration for crazed demagogues of the Saddam and Hitler caliber. The Germans would let the terrorists do their killing and the suicide murders perpetrate their horrors, as they love the smell of blood pouring and the sounds of children crying.



This is as good a time as any for freedom’s lovers to sound a patriotic bugle. Never mind the analysts and the paranoiac interpreters of America’s involvement in this war. I am an orthodox Jew, who believes that these United States of America are a Divine gift. On this day in America’s history, I proudly raise the flag of red, white and blue as my heart looks upward in prayer. G-d Bless America.



Shabbat Shalom

[MIKE BURN]

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You are a no good hypocrite.

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The article above is from BBC/U.K.



Nothing more, nothing less.

[debbie mannas]

Names that spring to mind...



Osama bin Ladin

Saddam Hussein

[Social Spit]

G-d's hand is allo OVER this one...



G-d spoke through the Prophets that anyone trying to rebuild Babylon is to be Cursed. I think there is a similar thing in Islam, too, about that.



A mighty fortress is our God, a bulwark never failing;

Our helper He, amid the flood of mortal ills prevailing:

For still our ancient foe doth seek to work us woe;

His craft and power are great, and, armed with cruel hate,

On earth is not his equal.



Did we in our own strength confide, our striving would be losing;

Were not the right Man on our side, the Man of God’s own choosing:

Dost ask who that may be? Christ Jesus, it is He;

Lord Sabaoth, His Name, from age to age the same,

And He must win the battle.



And though this world, with devils filled, should threaten to undo us,

We will not fear, for God hath willed His truth to triumph through us:

The Prince of Darkness grim, we tremble not for him;

His rage we can endure, for lo, his doom is sure,

One little word shall fell him.



That word above all earthly powers, no thanks to them, abideth;

The Spirit and the gifts are ours through Him Who with us sideth:

Let goods and kindred go, this mortal life also;

The body they may kill: God’s truth abideth still,

His kingdom is forever.

[Master Zap]

Anyone who claims God is on their side in a war is, by definition, an idiot.



Bush's most arrogant remark ever: "...and may God continue to bless America". WHAT THE @#%$?



It's okay for a president to say "God Bless America", because this is a display of a HOPE of God possiblly blessing America IF America is worthy. Saying "may god CONTINUE to bless" implies that God has actually blessed America already, and I see no evidence of this. Y'all should keep wishing for it.



God does not support War period. (If he existed, that is, but that's a different discussion)



And Larree, you guys are not "right". You are only "right" from a very narrow and specific definition. You must learn to open your mind to other points of view.



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The blood of World War I and II has yet to dry. German opposition to the war fits the old Prussian lust for power and admiration for crazed demagogues of the Saddam and Hitler caliber. The Germans would let the terrorists do their killing and the suicide murders perpetrate their horrors, as they love the smell of blood pouring and the sounds of children crying.



This is as good a time as any for freedom’s lovers to sound a patriotic bugle. Never mind the analysts and the paranoiac interpreters of America’s involvement in this war. I am an orthodox Jew, who believes that these United States of America are a Divine gift. On this day in America’s history, I proudly raise the flag of red, white and blue as my heart looks upward in prayer. G-d Bless America.

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[Social Spit]

Bush is in like company - Others say God's on their side too



Names that spring to mind...



Osama bin Ladin

Saddam Hussein



No, they think Allah is on their side. Actually neither of those guys is actually a Muslim, so that statement is basically incorrect.



So, Shaitan is on their side, and you all know what is gonna happen to Shaitan, ya know, about his head being crushed by the woman's seed?



Well, the woman's seed was Yeshoshua Ha'Moschiah and he squished Shaitan's head real good.



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[NRKofOver]

I'm just not real sure God will bless a nation with so many heretics in it. You know, people who believe in something other than Bush's God. Maybe we should make a law, and the US can be a full fledged theocracy using Christianity, then we can really know God is on our side.

Read all about ME!

[Social Spit]

It's okay for a president to say "God Bless America", because this is a display of a HOPE of God possiblly blessing America IF America is worthy. Saying "may god CONTINUE to bless" implies that God has actually blessed America already, and I see no evidence of this. Y'all should keep wishing for it.



*I* See evidence of it every day. Oh well I live here.



I'm sure G-d has BLESSED other nations and people as well, including YISRAEL.



Heck, G-d even blessed ISHMAEL.



But I think G-d revokes his blessing when the recipients use idiot behaviour, Like we did in the vietnam war, G-d had NO part of that.



Yisrael was involved in SEVERAL conflicts over the past 40 or 50 years in which they KICKED RIGHTEOUS ARSE- And by all logic, they should have been creamed to DUST. They were outgunned and outmanned about 20 ot 0.05



Thye worst mistake ever made by an Israeli Prime Minister was NOT taking back TEMPLE MOUNT.



See, so G-d blessed Yisrael so that they kicked about 40 nations arses in SIX DAYS-



But then he revoked the blessing for DISOBEDIANCE.



But who are we to even question what G-d does, He allowed Sad-Ham to get rich.



Proverbs 28:20 A faithful man shall abound with blessings: but he that maketh haste to be rich shall not be innocent.

Edited by: Social Spit at: 4/6/03 6:42:32 pm

[Master Zap]

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No, they think Allah is on their side

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"Allah" means "God", my friend.



It's convenient to use the muslim word for God so we get a more "we against them" feel to it. But it's the same God.



/Z

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again with a giggle, coz it is quite probably intended in a sarcastic and humorous manner.

The poster is a nice and friendly person. Funny too. And handsome. Yeah. For sure.

[Social Spit]

Neither of those guys has any religious FAITH at all, Muslim or otherwise.

[Social Spit]

In fact, nearly all the mainland churches in America oppose this war, including Mr Bush's own church, the United Methodists.



As a matter of fact, a large majority of CHRISTIANS support this war.



Organised religious facades are not the true CHURCH.



Therrefore "Official" statements about the stance on war from:



The Catholicks



The Lutherans



The episcopalians



The Anglicans



and any other LARGE stuffy religious facade, are not representations about how most Christians feel about this.



Especially those Christians that are Chaldean.

[MIKE BURN]

Hussein is a badly confirmed sunnitic muslim.



Osama Bin Laden belongs to the shiitic fraction of the muslim hardliners.



You know that weAponX, you are lying and blinded by your

very own religious fundamentalism.