@#%$ Pope Benedictators gag order to hide Pedophile scandal

MIKE BURN

And let the words of the clowns being conquered by words of other wise and spiritual men:

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(Haaretz/Israel)

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the new pope to be known as Benedict XVI, will continue the positive, ground-breaking relations toward Israel and the Jews that characterized the papacy of Pope John Paul II, say senior Jewish figures who are integrally involved in relations with the Vatican, and know Ratzinger personally.

"He has a profound commitment to good relations between the Catholic Church and the Jewish people, and an unquestionable commitment to Israel's well being," says Rabbi David Rosen, who was a key figure in the establishment of diplomatic relations between Israel and the Vatican in 1993. "From a narrow Jewish and Israeli perspective, it is good news for the Jews."

Israel Singer, chairman of the World Jewish Congress, says Ratzinger "was the man who provided the theological underpinnings for Pope John Paul II's decision to open relations with Israel. He solved the real problem that existed - the 2,000-year-old theological question. He was the one who had the keys to open that lock. In the last 20 years he has changed the 2,000-year history of relations between Jews and Christianity. I believe he will continue the policies of John Paul II with regard to relations with the Jews and Israel."

Shortly after the establishment of diplomatic ties, Ratzinger visited Israel to deliver the keynote address at a Jewish-Christian conference. "He wanted to express his personal support for Vatican-Israel relations, and for the advance of Jewish-Catholic relations," recalls Rosen, who chaired the event. Ratzinger, who made several quiet visits to Israel before the establishment of diplomatic ties, wrote the introduction to what Rosen calls the "most important" document on Christian-Jewish relations to come out of the Pontifical Biblical Studies Commission, the Vatican body that focuses on biblical studies. The document, which was issued under Ratzinger's authority, deals with the central place of the Jewish people and of religious Jewish texts in Christian teaching.

In the document, Ratzinger seeks to tackle the Jews' refusal to accept Jesus as the messiah and Judaism's insistence that the messiah has not yet come.

"He argued that this position is also part of the divine plan," explains Rosen, who now heads the American Jewish Committee's Interreligious Affairs department, "and the fact Jews don't accept Jesus must not be seen as an act of rejecting God, but as part of God's plan to remind the world that peace and salvation for all humanity has not yet come. This is amazing. He took something that has been the source of major condemnation of Judaism and the Jewish people down the ages and twisted it into something of a positive theological nature."

Rosen recalls meeting Ratzinger in Assisi in 2002, at the Day of Prayer for Peace in the World declared by Pope John Paul II, shortly after the document was published. "When I told him it was an extremely positive document in relation to Judaism, his face burst into a big smile."

Rosen believes that Ratzinger's German background has shaped his attitude toward Israel and the Jews. "It is a significant factor in his understanding of the evil and danger of anti-Semitism," he says. "It is certainly a factor in his positive commitment to Catholic-Jewish relations. He is conscious of the burden of history."

Singer, who is also chairman of the International Jewish Committee for Interreligious Consultations (IJCIC), dismisses fears that have been expressed in some quarters - in Israel and in the Jewish world - over Ratzinger's membership, as a boy, in the @#%$ Youth. "At that time, every child was forced to be a member of the @#%$ Youth," says Singer, who recently met Ratzinger at the funeral for Pope John Paul II.

clone911 · Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Posts: 69

the issue is not whether the Pope is a good or a bad person the ONLY issue we are debating is whether or not he was a N-A-Z-I and it is very clear that he WAS and to continue to deny that REALITY is just ridiculous....

so don't 'shoot the messenger' for pointing out the obvious FACTS....bc i did not force Ratzinger to become a N-A-Z-I

what if they had selected former KKK member Robert Byrd to be the new Pope? would it be ok for me to say you are bad for mentioning that Pope Byrd was a former KKK member? the obvious answer is NO bc that would just be ignorant....

basically you want to CENSOR the TRUTH and this form of censorship is basically a form of fascism in itself..........

now u know i have always treated u with respect but i can not lie and deny the truth in order to spare your feelings as i am truly appalled the Catholic church could NOT select a non

N-A-Z-I to be Pope

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Edited by: clone911 at: 4/23/05 11:39

MIKE BURN

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clone911

i can not lie and deny the truth in order to spare your feelings as i am truly appalled the Catholic church could NOT select a non $§"!$%/ to be Pope

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“We are moving toward a dictatorship of relativism which does not recognize anything as definitive and has as its highest value one's own ego and one's own desires.”

-Benedikt XVI.

MIKE BURN

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clone911

basically you want to CENSOR the TRUTH and this form of censorship is basically a form of fascism in itself..........

Go in peace, but please go away.

Galmin · The King has spoken! Joined: 30 Dec 2001 Posts: 1711

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From the "American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition":

Inflected forms: pl. Na·zis

1. A member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, founded in Germany in 1919 and brought to power in 1933 under Adolf @#%$. 2. often @#%$ An adherent or advocate of policies characteristic of Nazism; a fascist.

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Now, I think most of us can probably agree that the current Pope fits def #1.

Do you say that he was a paying member of the NSDAP? I highly doubt that. Most plain soldiers wasn't, let alone the HJ.

Therefore I am totally convinced that he do not fall under the #1 definition.

RonOnGuitar · Joined: 08 Jan 2003 Posts: 1916

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Go in peace, but please go away.

LOL, Mike!

I'm afraid the Ben just doesn't get it, even though lots of folks here have tried explaining it to him.

And it's a rare thing when almost all of us agree on anything on this board - that should tell something to Ben!

Ben -

The best advice I can give you, if you feel so strongly, is just to leave the Catholic Church in protest. Become a member of another denomination or stop going to church completely.

If this is the worst thing that's ever happened in your life, I'd say that life has been very kind to you. If this were the biggest problem I had in my life, I would be grateful!

Relax and give it some calm thinking. Think of some things you did when you were 14. Like - did you ever lie, cheat or steal?

If so, does that make you now a lifelong compulsive "Lair", "Cheater" or "Thief"?

It's important to consider a person's (anyone) entire lifetime. In this case youe need to remember when a person did something instead of what they did.

To those of us who understand the times and are knowledgable about the man, it's no more out of the ordinary as an American having been in the Boy Scouts.

If you have evidence that the now Pope was in charge of a concentration camp, then you got something.

Otherwise - well, you're just overexcited for no reason. As the German phrase goes - it "machts nicht"; it "makes nothing".

bbchris

Outstanding post Ron.

Galmin · The King has spoken! Joined: 30 Dec 2001 Posts: 1711

Ok, it seems I am typing for air, though I seem unable to quit.

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Take in consideration the definition of Na·zi from the "American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition":

1. A member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, founded in Germany in 1919 and brought to power in 1933 under Adolf H.

A member of the party.

Ratzinger was not a member of the party.

The attempt to bind Ratzinger to the NSDAP the party-way kind of permanently stops here. Next!

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2. often @#%$ An adherent or advocate of policies characteristic of Nazism; a fascist.

I think we can all agree on that Ratzinger is no fascist. Reactionary? Yep. Fascist? No.

Where does this leave us?? In the middle of a moron sandwich of a feeble attempt to falsely brand the new pope as a national socialist and even weaker responses.

"Well, by def. 1 he is, but by def. 2..."

"It's important to consider a person's entire lifetime"

What we need to ask is:

Was Ratzinger a member of the NSDAP?

Did he pay the admission fee?

Was he, once a member, taken up in SA or SS?

Was he sympathazing with the NSDAP?

Did he vote for NSDAP?

When the answer for one of these questions is yes, Ben (Clone9) will be right. It isn't, though.

Ratzinger was not a National Socialist. Period.

Lack of knowledge make the starter of this thread more self assured and the answers more weak(if possible). Do get more read up on the matter.

Edited by: Galmin at: 4/24/05 10:07

clone911 · Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Posts: 69

a few years back i wrote a song called POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS COMMUNISM bc i foresaw this day coming when REALITY has to take a back seat to UTOPIAN PC FASCIST DOGMA....and so now u people have this innate desire to run to Mike's defense bc u feel i have wrongly labeled the Pope a @#%$ and your well intentioned actions are blinding u 2 REALITY....your actions are rooted in the DOGMA known as POLITICAL CORRECTNESS i.e. you think you must rush to Mike's aid as anyone saying anything that could be remotely considered 'offensive' must automatically be 'offensive' even if it is based on absolute verifiable truth....the current scandal over the cops handcuffing that little BRAT is another fine example of the PC FASCIST DOGMA in action bc the REALITY is if the parents and/or teacher were allowed to use corporal punishment to discipline that child she would have never acted like the 100%

BRAT that she is....but bc of PC DOGMA the parents/teachers are afraid to touch the child and then the police get called and so they did what they had to do to control here WITHOUT harm and suddenly the police are the bad guys....

also PC FASCIST DOGMA makes the mods want to censore the word @#%$.....well no1 needs forget what teh NOTZIS DID...so thanks a lot PC FASCIST DOGMA once again your UTOPIAN ideals clash with REALITY......

and so try opening your eyes and thinking with an open mind instead of jumping to assume what i say is erroneous....

from www.dictionary.com

Na·zi

1-A member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, founded in Germany in 1919 and brought to power in 1933 under Adolf @#%$.

2-often @#%$ An adherent or advocate of policies characteristic of Nazism; a fascist.

3-adj. Of, relating to, controlled by, or typical of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

we know a person is considered a "@#%$" according to the above www.dictionary.com definition if they meet a single ONE of the above 3 definitions of the word....the @#%$ ARMY was controlled by the NSGWP and so the Pope as a member of the @#%$ ARMY very clearly meets the definition...the REALITY is i did NOT make up the definition of "@#%$" so go look for yourself at www.dictionary.com

also we know the Pope was in the "N-A-Z-I YOUTH" and we know he wore a N-A-Z-I ARMY UNIFORM and toted a N-A-Z-I ARMY RIFLE while guarding the BMW plant where slave laborers from Dachau worked and were MURDERED.....(he COULD have claimed 'conscience objector status' like many Jehovah's witness did)

we know the Pope deserted the N-A-Z-I ARMY several WEEKS before the Americans arrived like many N-a-z-i soldiers did most likely bc they were afraid for their LIVES....(the Americans were not too pleased with the N-A-Z-I soldiers after seeing all those dead Jews)

we know the Americans captured him and made him change his street clothes back into his N-A-Z-I uniform and then held him shortly as a POW

knowing all of this is 100% verifiable FACT the PC FASCIST DOGMA dictates that we MUST ASSUME the POPE was not a "@#%$"....

i say REALITY dictates that we MUST conclude the POPE WAS A "@#%$" in order to prevent future chaos

:seismo

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Edited by: clone911 at: 4/24/05 14:51

MIKE BURN · Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: re

I don't know which drugs you are taking, but obviously bad ones.

Stop insulting me and abusing my patience.

russky natasha · Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Posts: 19

Hey, Mike, nothing to get worked up about. The dumb redneck @#%$ who's insulting ya is from frickin' Mississippi in the heart of Jesusland.

"The statistics are staggering. In Mississippi in the year 2000 there were 900 substantiated physical abuse cases, more than 1700 neglect cases, 110 abuse and neglect, 899 sexual abuse cases, and 74 children suffered both emotional abuse and neglect. For Sue Cherney who heads Southern Christian Services for Children and Youth, the results of child abuse are clear. In fact, more than 22,000 children were referred to state youth courts, more than two thousand were sent to training schools, and 6,358 are under the supervision of a youth court counselor."

Yeah, and that's just the tip of the iceberg, the ones that get caught.

Is that enough REALITY for you, Billy-Ben?........

The whole of frickin' Jesusland should be put on trial like Michael Jackson and then STERILISED .....

Galmin · The King has spoken! Joined: 30 Dec 2001 Posts: 1711

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the @#%$ ARMY was controlled by the NSGWP and so the Pope as a member of the @#%$ ARMY very clearly meets the definition

It would also mean that every Dane automatically was NSDAP member when Denmark was invaded.

It's not going to fly. Leave it.

clone911 · Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Posts: 69

i never said he was a member of the @#%$ party but he was clearly a @#%$ and since when did the use of the word @#%$ become 'tabboo' this is utter bullshit....Mike and other Germans are just hypersensitive about it bc there loved ones were former NOTZIs and everyone knows the NOTZIs committed some pretty heinous crimes but now if anyone dare speak of it then shooting the messenger is ok bc the messenger NOT the @#%$'s are the bad guy....and that is just fukin stoopid

now a lil more FYI on the current pope all of u seem so eager to defend....

The Vatican instructed Catholic bishops around the world to cover up cases of sexual abuse or risk being thrown out of the Church.

The Observer has obtained a 40-year-old confidential document from the secret Vatican archive which lawyers are calling a 'blueprint for deception and concealment'. One British lawyer acting for Church child abuse victims has described it as 'explosive'.

Lawyers point to a letter the Vatican sent to bishops in May 2001 clearly stating the 1962 instruction was in force until then. The letter is signed by Cardinal Ratzinger, the most powerful man in Rome beside the Pope and who heads the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - the office which ran the Inquisition in the Middle Ages.

observer.guardian.co.uk/i...00,00.html

The 69-page Latin document bearing the seal of Pope John XXIII was sent to every bishop in the world. The instructions outline a policy of 'strictest' secrecy in dealing with allegations of sexual abuse and threatens those who speak out with excommunication.

They also call for the victim to take an oath of secrecy at the time of making a complaint to Church officials. It states that the instructions are to 'be diligently stored in the secret archives of the Curia [Vatican] as strictly confidential. Nor is it to be published nor added to with any commentaries.'

The document, which has been confirmed as genuine by the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales, is called 'Crimine solicitationies', which translates as 'instruction on proceeding in cases of solicitation'.

It focuses on sexual abuse initiated as part of the confessional relationship between a priest and a member of his congregation. But the instructions also cover what it calls the 'worst crime', described as an obscene act perpetrated by a cleric with 'youths of either sex or with brute animals (bestiality)'.

Bishops are instructed to pursue these cases 'in the most secretive way... restrained by a perpetual silence... and everyone... is to observe the strictest secret which is commonly regarded as a secret of the Holy Office... under the penalty of excommunication'.

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Edited by: clone911 at: 4/25/05 9:15

Galmin · The King has spoken! Joined: 30 Dec 2001 Posts: 1711

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i never said he was a member of the @#%$ party but he was clearly a @#%$

Was he?

Then tell me what question it is that gets the yes for answer:

Was Ratzinger a member of the NSDAP?

Did he pay the admission fee?

Was he sympathazing with the NSDAP?

Did he vote for NSDAP?

Your answer "no, but he worked for them" do not hold water.

As I have said before, you seem to have absolutely no idea what a Na·zi actually is. Please feel welcome to continue this conversation once you've rectified that situation.

Galmin · The King has spoken! Joined: 30 Dec 2001 Posts: 1711

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now a lil more FYI on the current pope all of u seem so eager to defend....

Eager to defend?? I have previously told you that I hold the current pope in extremely low regard. I deem him a reactionary of the worst kind. It may very well be that he has been covering up henious acts carried out by priest from the catholic church...

He simply never was a National Socialist.

Don't you dare to bait and switch!