@#%$ Pope Benedictators gag order to hide Pedophile scandal

[clone911]

am i the only one appalled that the new Pope was a @#%$?



well?

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Edited by: clone911 at: 4/26/05 7:56

[MIKE BURN]

Please don't use the term "NAZI" on this board here.



I ask kindly.



As far as the new pope is affected a few remarks from a German (me that is):



1. Ratzinger was 14 when he had to join the 'Hitlerjugend'.

At this time a 14 year old had no choice and YOU, you would have joined the 'Hitlerjugend' as well back then.



2. Ratzinger DESERTED the German Army.

WHAT do YOU want more?



3. He never fired a single shot or was directly responsible for the death of anybody.



4. ONLY the JEWISH newspapers and TV-moderators brought up, that Ratzinger would be a bad choice because he was the prefect/head of the "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith" over the last 20 years (better known from former times as "Inquisition"), ordered by the pope. Insane that our Jewish friends wrote/write and talk about Ratzinger being responsible for the first Jewish Holocaust 1492 in France (often frogotten) now as well because of the role of the "Inquisition" back at this time. GOOD JOKE (and always the same old same old)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He's 78 years old, but not 600! LOL

[Rev9Volts]

you thell him mike!

[RonOnGuitar]

I believe you're appalled for nothing on this one, Clone. This news article is from the Jerusalem Post, a conservative Israeli newspaper.



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New pope hailed for strong Jewish ties

THE JERUSALEM POST

Apr. 19, 2005



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The choice of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger as the new pope on Tuesday, Jewish religious leaders say, is a sign that the warming ties initiated by Pope John Paul II between the Vatican and Jews will continue.



The Roman Catholic Church's leading conservative, the German Ratzinger was elected the new pope in the first conclave of the new millennium by cardinals intent on sticking to conservative policy. Ratzinger is the first Germanic pope in roughly 1,000 years.



"His election is confirmation of the cardinals on the issue of continuity," Rabbi David Rosen told The Jerusalem Post Tuesday. "There's not a single issue in which the new pope will not be in complete accord with his predecessor. After all, his predecessor appointed him to the most important theological post in the Catholic Church.



"This continuity will be reflected in Catholic-Jewish relations. He has a deep commitment to this issue. And his own national background makes him sensitive to the dangers of anti-Semitism and the importance of Jewish-Catholic reconciliation," said Rosen, the international director of interreligious affairs for the American Jewish Committee.



"He was also supportive of the establishment of full relations between the Holy See and Israel, and he cares deeply about the welfare of the State of Israel," added Rosen.



Rabbi Israel Singer, chairman of the World Jewish Congress, called Ratzinger the architect of the policy that John Paul II fulfilled with regard to relations with the Jews.



"He is the architect of the ideological policy to recognize, to have full relations with Israel," Singer said.



In one indication of his respect for Judaism, Ratzinger authorized in 2002 the publication of a report that stated that "the Jewish messianic wait is not in vain." That document also expressed regret that certain passages in the Christian Bible condemning individual Jews have been used to justify anti-Semitism.



The 210-page document, titled "The Jewish People and the Holy Scriptures in the Christian Bible," says Jews and Christians share their wait for the Messiah, although Jews are waiting for the first coming and Christians for the second.



Upon his election, Ratzinger chose the name Pope Benedict XVI and called himself "a simple, humble worker." He emerged onto the balcony of St. Peter's Basilica, where he waved to a wildly cheering crowd of tens of thousands and gave his first blessing as pope. Other cardinals, clad in their crimson robes, came out on other balconies to watch him after one of the fastest papal conclaves of the past century.



Pilgrims chanted "Benedict! Benedict!" as the church's 265th pontiff appeared.



"Dear brothers and sisters, after the great Pope John Paul II, the cardinals have elected me – a simple, humble worker in the vineyard of the Lord," he said after being introduced by Chilean Cardinal Jorge Arturo Medina Estivez.



The new pope had gone into the conclave with the most buzz among two dozen leading candidates. He had impressed many faithful with his stirring homily at the funeral of John Paul II, who died on April 2 at age 84.



White smoke poured from the Sistine Chapel and bells tolled earlier to announce the conclave had produced a pope. Flag-waving pilgrims in St. Peter's Square chanted: "Viva il Papa!" or "Long live the pope!" The bells rang after a confusing smoke signal that Vatican Radio initially suggested was black but then declared was too difficult to call. White smoke is used to announce a pope's election to the world.



It was one of the fastest elections in the past century.



"It's only been 24 hours, surprising how fast he was elected," Vatican Radio said, commenting on how the new pope was elected after just four or five ballots.



The timing, more than one hour before the end of the afternoon session, indicated that the pontiff may have been chosen on the fourth ballot, although it was not immediately known. Voting began Monday night with a single ballot, and there were two ballots to be held Tuesday morning and afternoon.



The cardinals took an oath of secrecy, meaning they are forbidden to divulge how the voting went. Under conclave rules, a winner needs two-thirds support, or 77 votes from the 115 cardinal electors.



Niels Hendrich, a 40-year-old salesman from Hamburg, Germany, jumped up and down with joy at St. Peter's and called his father on a cell phone. "Habemus papam!" he shouted into the phone, using the Latin for: "We have a pope."



Some have questioned whether the new pope was pro-Nazi during his teenage years in Germany during World War II.



In his memoirs, the new pope speaks openly of being enrolled in Hitler's Nazi youth movement against his will when he was 14 in 1941, when membership was compulsory. He writes that he was soon let out because of his studies for the priesthood.



Two years later, he was drafted into a Nazi anti-aircraft unit as a helper, a common fate for teenage boys too young to be soldiers. Enrolled as a soldier at 18, in the last months of the war, he barely finished basic training.



Ratzinger has several times gone on record about his "problematic" past. In the 1997 book Salt of the Earth, Ratzinger is asked if he was ever in the Hitler Youth.



"At first we weren't," he says, speaking of himself and his older brother. "But when the compulsory Hitler Youth was introduced in 1941, my brother was obliged to join. I was still too young, but later as a seminarian I was registered in the Hitler Youth. As soon as I was out of the seminary, I never went back. And that was difficult because the tuition reduction, which I really needed, was tied to proof of attendance at the Hitler Youth.



"Thank goodness there was a very understanding mathematics professor. He himself was a Nazi, but an honest man, and said to me, 'Just go once to get the document so we have it...' When he saw that I simply didn't want to, he said, 'I understand, I'll take care of it' and so I was able to stay free of it."



In Traunstein, the southern German town where the pope had studied for the priesthood decades before, 13-year-old boys at St. Michael's seminary jumped up and down, cheered and clapped as the news was announced.



"It's fantastic that it's Cardinal Ratzinger. I met him when he was here before and I found him really nice," said Lorenz Gradl, 16, who was confirmed by Ratzinger in 2003.



"We are certain that he will continue on the path of reconciliation between Christians and Jews that John Paul II began," Paul Spiegel, head of Germany's main Jewish organization, told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.



Throughout his service in the church, Ratzinger has distinguished himself in the field of Jewish-Catholic relations. As prefect of the Doctrine of the Faith, Ratzinger played an instrumental role in the Vatican's revolutionary reconciliation with the Jews under John Paul II. He personally prepared Memory and Reconciliation, the 2000 document outlining the church's historical "errors" in its treatment of Jews.



Abraham H. Foxman, Anti-Defamation League National Director, said that having lived through World War II, Ratzinger has great sensitivity to Jewish history and the Holocaust.



"He has shown this sensitivity countless times, in meetings with Jewish leadership and in important statements condemning anti-Semitism and expressing profound sorrow for the Holocaust. We remember with great appreciation his Christmas reflections on December 29, 2000, when he memorably expressed remorse for the anti-Jewish attitudes that persisted through history, leading to 'deplorable acts of violence' and the Holocaust.



"Cardinal Ratzinger said: 'Even if the most recent, loathsome experience of the Shoah (Holocaust) was perpetrated in the name of an anti-Christian ideology, which tried to strike the Christian faith at its Abrahamic roots in the people of Israel, it cannot be denied that a certain insufficient resistance to this atrocity on the part of Christians can be explained by an inherited anti-Judaism present in the hearts of not a few Christians.'"



Ratzinger's grasp of Judaism is reflected by this passage from that document.



"I think we could say that two things are essential to Israel's faith. The first is the Torah, commitment to God's will, and thus the establishment of his dominion, his kingdom, in this world. The second is the prospect of hope, the expectation of the Messiah – the expectation, indeed the certainty, that God himself will enter into this history and create justice, which we can only approximate very imperfectly. The three dimensions of time are thus connected: obedience to God's will bears on an already spoken word that now exists in history and at each new moment has to be made present again in obedience. This obedience, which makes present a bit of God's justice in time, is oriented toward a future when God will gather up the fragments of time and usher them as a whole into his justice."



Britain's Chief Rabbi Jonathan Sacks congratulated Ratzinger on his election Tuesday, saying, "We hope that he will continue along the path of Pope John XXIII and Pope John Paul II in working to enhance relations with the Jewish people and the State of Israel."

[clone911]

he was in teh NAZI ARMY therefore he was a NAZI....that is the FACTS,.....now sure u could argue that he didn't want to be a NAZI but he was a NAZI nevertheless

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[Rev9Volts]

yer nuts clone... there were hundres of us kids drafted between 1964 and 1968 when lyndon johnson was pres. that did not mean the soldiers belonged to the democratic party, nor those drafted afterabout january 20, 1969 when richard nixon was inaugerated were members of the republican party although the new pope....



"But it is in his enforcement of Church doctrine that he has made so many enemies around the world. He said it was "an enormous mistake" to allow Turkey to join the European Union, has described rock music as a "vehicle of anti-religion" and believes cloning is a more serious threat to humanity than weapons of mass destruction. He believes the ban on women priests is necessary to safeguard doctrine, is against multiculturalism and believes that the Church of England is not a proper church. Other religions he regards as deficient and homosexuality in his view is an "intrinsic moral evil"."



maybe afterall you are correct or at least a fascist.

[MIKE BURN]

OK Ben,



you used the term "Nazi" now 4 times again after I friendly asked you to refrain from doing so.



Please notice that "Nazi" is a word which is a bigger insult to ANY German than the term motherf***** spoken out in front of your mother in your country.



While you can safely travel Germany you will have to be careful using this particular word, it may be life-threatening to use if you meet the wrong persons whose personal feelings will be deeply affected.



I once thought you are a friend, but it seems you are just a bad friend who insults my entire nation and myself for posting capitalized links to your music page at the same time while ignoring my initial wish posted.



If you think you were just acting "funny" or "cool", then let me tell you that I feel personally insulted.



Please stop that, I ask kindly again.

[RonOnGuitar]

Mike, if a poster goes wild using the "N" word - or continues to use it to insult people after they have been asked not to , I think maybe you should reply with:



"You're banned from posting until you learn some manners. Sieg Heil, baby!"



(The "Sieg heil, baby!" is from a song by the punk band "The Vandals")



Just to tick the poster off - hahaha!



It's so childish to call people names and it shows that a person isn't thinking very deep. Instead of name-calling, posters should disagree and beat up on specific ideas - that takes some thinking to do.



I can think of black people whose ideas I disagree with, but I wouldn't use that other "N"-word to describe or attack them.



And I think if Clone gives it more thought, he will see that the usage of the N word was a bit too much. We all make mistakes.



(Well, everyone - except me, of course. hahahaha!)



It's much more fun to pick something (or someone,lol) apart logically.

[DreamTone7]

The Pope is no more a N**I than Hitler is Christian.

[clone911]

this is obviously a hot button issue and my goal is not to offend anyone but merely state the FACTS....



so here is the definition of the word.....



Na·zi ( P ) Pronunciation Key (näts, nt-)

n. pl. Na·zis



A member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, founded in Germany in 1919 and brought to power in 1933 under Adolf Hitler.

often nazi



An adherent or advocate of policies characteristic of Nazism; a fascist.



Of, relating to, controlled by, or typical of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.



now the Pope clearly met at least 2 of those 3 alternate definitions of the word NAZI...



so here is a lil game to simplify the concept....



Ratzinger is wearing his NAZI ARMY uniform while carrying his Nazi Army rifle in the field guarding the BMW factory.....5 US Army soldiers stroll by....one of the soldiers sees Ratzinger

and says which of the following:



A-"Hey guys look at that NAZI."

B-"Hey guys look at that GI Joe"

C-"Hey guys look at that Jap"

D-"Hey guys don't shoot that Nazi waving the gun at us bc he won't actually shoot at us"

E-"Hey guys don't call that Nazi a Nazi bc 60 years from now he will be the Pope"



again i am sorry if the word "NAZI" offends people but the facts are well known and any person who was a member of the Nazi Army was a NAZI....now he probably didn't want to be a Nazi and did what he had to survive but he wore the uniform and toted the gun of the Nazi Army therefore he was a NAZI... case closed

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Edited by: clone911 at: 4/21/05 3:10

[Rev9Volts]

personally mike i think we have to keep the "freedom of speech" od usa ok although i do not know what the "n" word is like in germany. this pope was drafted and had no choice. plain and simple if clone thinks he was well clone is an idiot or trying to be troll of the week... me and galmin have aspired to that, but this is stupid.... clone is an ignorant m.f. the catholic church is too smart to make one a pope. if nothing else too much money to loose involved.

[clone911]

and had no choice. plain and simple if clone thinks he was well clone is an idiot or trying to be troll of the week...



pay attention to the FACTS....the pope may be the nicest guy on the planet and may have loathed the FACT that he was apparently forced to be a Nazi but the FACT remains that he was still a NAZI.....



more ex's to explain how idiotic this argument is....



a man gets a job as a FIREMAN....he wears the uniform and totes the gear but doesn't like the job so he quits i.e. he WAS A FIREMAN



a man gets a job as a COP...he wears the uniform and totes the gear but doesn't like the job so he quits i.e. he WAS A COP....



a man is forced to become a NAZI...he wears the Nazi uniform and totes a NAZI rifle but doesn't like the job so he quits i.e. he WAS A NAZI....



now the real question is why do so many people seek to deny the obvious REALITY of this situation?????



now repeat after me and i promise u will feel better the new POPE WAS A NAZI...the facts are well known



and Mike says....



I once thought you are a friend, but it seems you are just a bad friend who insults my entire nation and myself for posting capitalized links to your music page at the same time while ignoring my initial wish posted.



this has nothing to do with friendship and i am sorry if discussing the REALITY of the situation offends u but i had nothing to do with forcing Ratzinger to become a Nazi, i didn't vote for a former Nazi to be Pope, and i think Catholicism is the complete opposite of what Jesus stood for...

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Edited by: clone911 at: 4/21/05 9:37

[MIKE BURN]

Quote:

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clone911



this is obviously a hot button issue and my goal is not to offend anyone but merely state the FACTS....



so here is the definition of the word.....



Na·zi ( P ) Pronunciation Key (näts, nt-)

n. pl. Na·zis



A member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, founded in Germany in 1919 and brought to power in 1933 under Adolf Hitler.

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1st. I understand that it didn't help to ask kindly.

I counted 16 new "Nazi"'s. That's sad.



2nd.Again you're thinking you're cool and present "cool" facts.

Let me explain to you that you even don't know who and when founded the "National Socialist German Worker's Party".

January 5th. 1919, Anton Drexler and Karl Harrer founded in Munich the "DAP" (Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" - engl. German Worker's Party) which was renamed February 24th. 1920 to "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP)".

July 29th 1921 Adolf Hitler was elected the leader of the NSDAP, not before.



3rd. Ratzinger was 14 when he had to join non-voluntarily the "Hitlerjugend" and was 16 when he had to join non-voluntarily the German Army which he deserted voluntarily.

At no point he was a member of the NSDAP, a party you had to join non-voluntarily when you became adult with 18 years.



4th. Stop your nonsense simply.

[clone911]

Mike i like u and i can understand why the word is offensive to u but me stating the well known FACTS about this pope should be offensive to no one in fact what should be offensive is the fact that everyone seeks to hide the FACTS and deny REALITY....



so once again please pay attention to FACTS...



ANY and ALL persons who were members of the NAZI ARMY were known to the rest of the world as "NAZIS"....now i am not judging this pope as apparently he hated being a Nazi and so he ran away



now i have been having this same argument over and over for the past 2 days on several messageboards and initially everyone attacked me on basically every board but then after they actually pay attention and focus on REALITY they all wind up agreeing to the truth that yes the new Pope was in fact a "NAZI" and so once again i have to apologize for pointing out the obvious which to me is sad



and so that is why i made this new site dedicated to the TRUTH

www.thepopewasanazi.com

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Edited by: clone911 at: 4/21/05 18:13

[Rev9Volts]

nice try but it won't fly... as you said he was forced to put on a nazi uniform. cops and firemen join willingly. besides just because he is conservative does not mean he was/is one. i suppose you think jerry fallwell and pat robertson are also nationalist socialists or whatever it stood for....