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DreamTone7
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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 4:51 am Post subject: It's never one thing... |
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...but many factors involved.
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051...NlYwMxNjk2
What gets me is that she has no idea what her son is up to, and yet she can still stand there with a straight face and claim he is innocent.
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HKRockChick No More Peas!
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DreamTone7
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HKRockChick No More Peas!
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Galmin The King has spoken!
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HKRockChick No More Peas!
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DreamTone7
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:19 pm Post subject: re |
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HKRC - "I will not compromise my ethics and integrity just to be liked or appear "open". So bite me."
LOL Deb...nobody is asking you to compromise anything. Martyring yourself won't solve anything either, though.
HKRC - "Eh? what points to the contrary?"
Exactly. Once you have your initial impression, you can see nothing else.
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DreamTone7
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:37 am Post subject: re |
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HKRC - "How do YOU know she was lying? Do you get some hidden message that we didnt from the article?"
Apparently so. If the woman did not know where her son was or what he was doing (as she admitted), anything else other than a statement to that effect is a lie. If she didn't know where he was or what he was doing, how does she know he didn't do it? She can't. She lied.
HKRC - "We all KNOW Bush and Co. lied to go to war..."
A lie is only a lie when it is an intentional misrepresentation of what is known (by the individual) to be true. It indeed may not be true, but if the person believes it to be true it is not a lie. If Bush actually thought what he was saying was true, regardless of any evidence that he was able to present to the public (which may not be as much as truly exists), then he was not lieing. That lady knew that she did not know...therefor, she was lieing. Now, if Bush knew that what he was saying was not true, then yes, he was lieing as well.
So why would Bush say something so potentially risky? Go back to the list of agendas I posted earlier concerning going to war. You will find that one of them is "public opinion". Public opinion was needed to justify going into Iraq. So Bush may have said something on shaky evidence (and I certainly would call it shaky) in order to help garner public support for what he thought to do.
My opinion? As for whether or not he lied, I can't say...and neither, really, can anybody but a very few. Not you or I, or the media for that matter. The media likes to push it as a lie because there are people like you, Deb, who want to hear it that way! It's part of the media's agenda. Anytime you listen to a politician you have to take into consideration his/her agenda(s) in order to understand why they are saying what they do. Whenever you listen to the media, you additionally have to take into account their agenda...something many people never do. People like you, Deb, seem to enjoy taking the media at face value...they prefer a simpler world...a black and white world. Reality is not so simple, I'm afraid.
As for going into Iraq, I am convinced that WMD existed there, that Sadam had used it before on the Kurds, that he had vehicles (rockets and remote controled jets) to carry it beyond his borders, and that he was nutty enough to potentially do so. On top of this, the majority of Iraqis wanted us there (and that should be enough for anybody). So I support our going in there...regardless of whether or not Bush was lieing about a nuclear weapons program in Iraq. It is also interesting to note that there exists a known Al-Quida cell in Iraq. Was it there previous to our going in? Nobody can say for sure, but it is hard to believe it sprang up overnight, or that Saddam did not know about it. So much for Iraq not being connected with terrorists. This terrorist group was the one responsible for the recent bombings in Jordan.
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HKRockChick No More Peas!
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HKRockChick No More Peas!
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:42 am Post subject: hmmm |
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"SHE knew for a fact that she did not know anything as to her sons innocence OR guilt"
So should she presume him innocent or guilty? What do YOUR laws say?
And how do you know whether Galmin or I think a mother lying about their childs innocence is right or wrong? we didnt enter into that discussion at all. YOU presumed it. tut tut.
You don't believe the media, the UN or anything else that proves the iraq war was based on fabricated BS, YET you seem to believe this article like it was God's truth.
LOL.
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DreamTone7
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 7:22 am Post subject: re |
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HKRC - "You don't believe the media, the UN or anything else that proves the iraq war was based on fabricated BS, YET you seem to believe this article like it was God's truth."
That's because it's not something the media has an agenda about.
HKRC - "And how do you know whether Galmin or I think a mother lying about their childs innocence is right or wrong?"
I never said either of you thought is was right or wrong. I said YOU passed it off as something to be expected...while the thought of Bush, a politician, lieing about something doesn't recieve the same response? Is it not something to be expected as well? Face it...for you it's not about whether or not Bush lied or not...that's just a point of contention that you're using. You're ticked off at Bush for something else that doesn't involve lieing. So talk about that, and leave the "Bush lied" thing alone already.
HKRC - "So should she presume him innocent or guilty? What do YOUR laws say?"
N/A. This lady is in France. And I don't go by anybodies laws anyway when determining right or wrong. It has been said that law lies partly in the shadow of justice...they're not very well related. Unfortunately for all, laws are a necessary travesty to justice...some more functional than others. I keep my own counsel as to "right and wrong". But in direct answer to your question, she shouldn't assume anything!
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