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HKRockChick No More Peas!
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Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 12:20 am Post subject: Do good artists without money or contacts |
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have any hope of being heard?
Yeah, I know its not only money, its talent, persistence etc, and there are many success stories, but it seems to me that unless you have a computer, an internet connection, some gear, money for studio rehearsals, or whatever, the competition is so fierce, its getting really difficult for money strapped artists to be heard, however talented????
Thoughts?
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bbchris Princess Of Hongkong
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RonOnGuitar
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Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 9:53 pm Post subject: Re: Do good artists without money or contacts |
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Quote: have any hope of being heard?
Heard by whom, Debbie?
(That's a serious question, in case ya thought I was just being a smartazz, lol!)
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RonOnGuitar
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 8:09 am Post subject: Re: actually |
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Well, Debbie, as we all know there's no one magic formula - if there were, we'd all be sipping it!!
And for every way there is to go about it, there seems to be a total opposite that worked just as well. Chris cites touring as being important, and it is. But then you have Shania Twain who did nothing but CDs & videos for a few years before touring (got a lotta ppl peeved cause she wasn't doing it the "usual way",lol). But she paid a lot of dues along her way.
The reason I asked "heard by whom" was to elicit who might be your specific target in mind. The only people who matter in the end are john/jane doe who listen to the radio or other common music outlets. But to get to them an artist usually has to be "heard" through a number of other people.
I think this is where making genuine and friendly contact with people who have some influence is important. Where you'd actually have a Rolodex of people you've contacted and keep up with them. As you know, it's not as easy to make connections in HK as it is in LA or NYC.
In LA or NYC you can knock on a hundred doors in on day. And most of them will be elicit the "thank you for the CD and promo material, we appreacite your submission" formulaic response.
I'll have an 'Anthony Robbin's moment' here,lol, and recycle one of his points - you know Col Sander's of Kentucky Fried Chicken? When he retired and got his retirement payment of $100 a month, he decided it might be a good idea to augment that generous amount. All he had was a really good chicken recipe. So he went the rounds of restuarants, offering to let them use his recipe for a certain percentage of the sales. AR notes that not too many people were overly impressed by an old fat guy who looked like Santa Claus in a white suit making such a stupid offer, hahaha! But Sander's kept on knocking on the doors and on the 1009th door somebody said "yes". He believed in what he had (the recipe) to just keep on knocking for as long as it took.
Music is art, but it's also a business. The musician has her/his "recipe and they have to know who to whom to make their pitch. The more specific you can be with yourself, the better. That is have specific a written end goal(s) and breaking down the steps to acheive it(them). e.g. if you ask a great many aspiring musicians, actors, singers, etc what their goal is they'll say something like "to be a rich superstar".
That's a meaningless goal, because it's undefined.
To say "I intend to acheive a $5 million, multi-year contract with a major label" is a defined goal. Then the person has to break it down into the from here2there components.
For some people the first component will be to learn to sing or play an instument! For others it will be to make 2 good contacts within the major labels during a certain week.
Because when you look at it as a whole, it surely appears a daunting, if not impossible task. But broken down into one specific task each day (for instance), it becomes more acheivable. Not only has a person tangibly moved toward their goal, but in addition after the person has did A, they think, "well I can tackle B", then C doesnt seem as tough. Self-confidence is built up with each accomplishment, no matter how small it may seem.
In the "I just wanna be a superstar" thoughtline the person goes from A-Z in total dyslexic fashion.
By the way, I'm not refering to you at all, Debbie, as the superstar wannabee, lol. And, actually, I think that's more common among guy musicians;think a bad version of Spinal Tap. I'm stressing the concept of looking at the desired end and quanitifying the individual actions involved. But I think that's the best M.O. no matter what anyone's goal(s) may be.
Then there's the element of luck, dumb luck, fate, being in the right place at the right time, etc. that sometimes factors in. There's also those who've learned to create their own luck!
The one thing I would recommend to someone, and it's been covered here, is for a person to look at whom they look up to as artists. Find out what made/makes them tick and pick up on any commonalities among the artists. Not to be a carbon copy of the artist, but to replicate what makes them tick.
Yiiii, it's way too late/too early for me to be so verbose!!!!! hahahahaa!! Just some meandering thoughts, anyhooo...
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