"An act of blatant state terrorism"

[Galmin]

Thanks ans, this way i didn't have to provide the statistics myself .



So, let's see: can a sub-median value be called high? I'd call it under average, since it's below average. But that's me.

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Yeah, missing Hamsun in the list is a clear pointer that Mr Schwarz actually don't know much about the Nobel Prize in Litterature, else he'd jump that one in an instant. It clearly outshines just about any other "unworthy" recipient.



Btw, I think we should ignore the United States Congress (who awarded a NSDAP sympathiser with the Medal of Honor) on the same grounds.

Was that Lindbergh guy a national socialist or what?

Edited by: Galmin  at: 12/12/05 14:53

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"sub-median value"



I dunno, Galmin. That chart lists only the suicide rates among highest GNP nations. There's a larger breakdown here:



www.who.int/mental_health...erates/en/



As I can't find Ron to do the actual calculating for me I'll just have to take your word that Sweden remains 'sub-median' on the suicide scale. I trust you'll inform me here if it turns out you're wrong



re US Congress:

I ignore ALL politicians.

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What? No reply? I thought we'd be bantering









SCHWARTZ: Sweden has a reputation for a high suicide rate.



GALMIN: "It's a common misconception." "I'd call it under average, since it's below average."



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I finally found time to Google a more complete chart. Out of 81 countries listed here



www.nationmaster.com/grap...ui_rat_mal



Sweden comes in at #29.



So, Galmin, unless you can produce your own chart (or some semantic loophole lol) you can be wrong about the 'sub-median' part and wrong about the 'misconception' part, too! No tragedy in itself.

[HKRockChick]

Hong Kong's suicide rate is not so fantastic either. It went up steeply in 1997 when the property bubble burst. People here have very little quality of life or hobbies or anything other than making money and working around the clock. So on the one hand, it is a VERY efficient place to work in. On the other hand, how many other places has SHOPPING as a widespread hobby? Hong Kongers apparently also have amongst the lowest (if not the lowest) rate of having sex in the world too...

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What? No reply? I thought we'd be bantering

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Work called. I'm back now, though.



Nice graph, ans. It's a shame it excludes over 50% of the population in Sweden (and everywere else). Women.



If you add it all up, you'll land on an average ratio of about 9.xx

Sweden is higher than that, yes. So is the US and almost every industrialized country (Please keep in mind the nations where there's a sin to have a suicide in the family and everything is done not to get it reported as such). Is US then suicide station? There are countries out there with a suicide ratio of above 50. Like the participants in the "coalition of the willing". New Europe. That's high. G'night.

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Significant(adj.): Important in effect or meaning. The key word is 'important'. Simply calling 'Ashes To Ashes' one of his 'strongest works' doesn't prove its significance to anyone except you maybe. And Galmin.

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Luckily it doesn't have to. All that matters is what the candidates work means for Svenska Akademien (snille & smak).

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Welcome back.



So, Sweden's suicide rate is ABOVE average. Regardless of the US suicide rate, ABOVE average is the OPPOSITE of 'sub-median'. Unless by your definition 'above average' means 'below average'







"Luckily it doesn't have to"



What? Luckily what doesn't have to what?

[Galmin]

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Welcome back

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Thanx!

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So, Sweden's suicide rate is ABOVE average.

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Yup.

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Regardless of the US suicide rate, ABOVE average is the OPPOSITE of 'sub-median'.

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Yup.



When I made the statement, I based my calculation on the statistics provided by you.



Thus , it is still valid for the nations with highest GNP.



However, lets go back to the statement from Mr Schwarz and take your most current statistics delivered:

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SWEDEN HAS A REPUTATION for a high suicide rate.

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Sweden is #29 with a ratio of 20 for male suicides. The US of A is #30 with a ratio of 19,8. That is exactly 1% less. Why then does not USA have the same reputation? Usually Americans refer to the high suicide-rate in Sweden (as opposed to a percepted considerably lower rate for the USA), although it is virtually equal. Is the line between "high" and "not high" placed at 19,9? No.



Thus, the one sided comparison of "Sweden=suicide central" often delivered by talk-radio hosts of the radical right and netrags such as newsmax is a misconception.



With young males, the USA "leads" with 5 positions before Sweden. Too much identifying with Holden Caulfield still these days?

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What? Luckily what doesn't have to what?

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The work of the Prize winner doesn't have to prove its significance in any shape or form to anyone but the members of "de aderton". Fin.

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"The work of the Prize winner doesn't have to prove its significance . . ."



Agreed. Pinter, his work and the members share equal insignificance.



From Pinter's Website:



"There are no hard distinctions between what is real and what is unreal, nor between what is true and what is false. A thing is not necessarily either true or false; it can be both true and false."



Wow! a grammer school lesson in quantum physics !! All this, and stinky poetry too!



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The Nobel Prize for what?



by Roger Kimball



Last year it was Elfriede Jelinek, the Austrian pornographer and anti-American fantasist. This year it is Harold Pinter. "The Nobel Prize for Literature." Right. I mean Left. What is with the Swedes? Günter Grass (1999), José Saramago (199 , and Dario Fo (1997): have they ever encountered a Communist or anti-American scribbler they don't adore? Mark Steyn once defined the "Pinteresque" as "a pause followed by a non sequitur." That's good, as far as it goes, but it is important to note that with Pinter the "sequitur" is always trailing in one direction: leftward. The Nobel Prize committee long ago demonstrated that its prizes for the arts were exercises in politically correct sermonizing. By choosing Harold Pinter, they have demonstrated that their sermons are ridiculous as well as repellent.



;p

[Galmin]

Looks like Kimball cheated and used Schwarz as his sole source. Still no Hamsun in the "bad people who have recieved the Nobel Prize" list!



Tell Dr. Kimball to read 'die Blechtrommel' before he goes on rambling about "bad people who have recieved the Nobel Prize". I am amazed that the Nobel Prize to Böll hasn't been verbally attacked by people who obviously has yet to read a book.

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I don't know Kimball & could care less how many bad poets or good pornographers win prizes.



. . . now about those statistics:



GALMIN: "When I made the statement, I based my calculation on the statistics provided by you."



If you say so. Yet in response to my provision you replied:



"Thanks ans, this way i didn't have to provide the statistics myself"



. . . implying that had I not provided them you would have yourself, in which case your calculations would have been based upon them anyway - so it doesn't matter who supplied the chart, it was you who used the chart to buttress erroneous information (ie. "sub-median", "misconception") See?

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. . implying that had I not provided them you would have yourself, in which case your calculations would have been based upon them anyway

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With the only difference that my statistics would have been thorough and correct. According to the statistics you originally provided (the basis for the calculation I commented hard upon) Swedens suiciderate is sub-median.

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"WOULD HAVE BEEN thorough and correct"? lmao. What's this 'would have been' stuff? Why so hasty with the past tense? Why not produce this mysterious "thorough and correct" document instead of just alluding to one. Could it be that a thorough and correct chart (one that includes women,for example) would illustrate Sweden's suicide rate as even higher?



I don't think any chart exists that put's Sweden's suicide rate at 'sub-median'. And I'll bet if you include women (whose suicide rate is higher than that of US women-- 9.2 v. 5.3) Sweden would chart even higher than #29. So where's the 'misconception' again?

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"I don't think any chart exists"



Amend that to read "thorough and correct chart"



Holden Caulfield? Seymour Glass maybe.

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"WOULD HAVE BEEN thorough and correct"? lmao. What's this 'would have been' stuff?

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A joke, hence the smiley.

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I don't think any chart exists that put's Sweden's suicide rate at 'sub-median'.

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The first chart you posted did and that, at least, exists on this BB.

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re "amend that to read thorough and correct chart"



you didn't allow my amendment? I'm chagrined



Should you reconsider, would you allow that the GNP chart is somewhat less than thorough?