'Respect Osama or more Americans will die'

[Galmin]

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Now, Gal, setting aside the worldwide sightseeing sidetrips - in the US when a cabbie gives an out of town rider one of those we call it "The Grand Tour" - you dodged the question at hand.

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I dodged a question? Ok, I'd make a note of that but my notebook is full of marks for you failing to answer 80% of mine over the years.

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Do you believe nations should hand over their foreign policy sovereignty to an obviously corrupt, bought & paid for, outside entity?

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Nope. I merely believe that nations should hold true to the agreement made between eachother that to invade a country you have to have a legitimate reason, forgeries over uranium from Niger or aerial photos of shithouses supposed to be stockpiles of WMD is not enough.

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Now to the matter at hand - and we are indeed focusing on a "singularity": you either can not or will not mention any nation you believe has "acted without UN consent". If you cannot think of any, that means you are not well informed. That does not bode well for your argument.



If you will not, it highlights the singular and non-altrusitic nature of your reasoning. And that doesn't bode well for your argument either: because it's intellectually dishonest to be unwilling to enumerate such actions.

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Hogwash. Am I your secretary? This thread is about whether to have respect for Osama Bin Laden, the 9/11 reason; War On Terror (as in Operation Enduring Freedom) and the 9/11 excuse; invasion of Iraq (as in Operation Iraqi Freedom).

If you want a list make it yourself. If you insist that I make it I will have to send you an invoice.

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In logical terms, you're using a "Strawman fallacy" because it's the only one you can knock down.

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1) No, I am defenitely not using a strawman fallacy.



2) Where have I misrepresented your position? You have to establish your own first for me to be able to do that, though you seem more busy in distributing essays (in an affort to produce, yep that's right, a strawman fallacy! ).

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But by way of a jumping off point from which you may work - can you think of any despicable countries that not only "acted without UN consent" but in fact defied it in violating UN sanctions by supplying Hussien with weaponry/weapons material?

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Every single country in the UN security cabinet has at one time or another breached UN law by selling arms to a nation at war. Despicable? Yup. (hey, here's a hint for a start of a list. Make it yourself!) Has this anything remotely to do with the topic at hand? No. Does that make the invasion of Iraq as it was carried out any less despicable? No!

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And, as a bonus question: when France invaded the Ivory Coast last month and French forces gunned down unarmed anti-European demonstrators ----- was that dispicable or was France, in a "Euro-dream world" fashion, really just extending a hand of friendship to it's breakaway colony?

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France is living in a France dream world. Despicable? You bet. Remember when France kept on blowing up nukes outside the Mururoa Atoll in the 80's, giving the inhabitians a plethora of nuclear fallout to die for? Despicable. Has this anything remotely to do with the topic at hand? No.