First French gay marriage annulled

Galmin · The King has spoken! Joined: 30 Dec 2001 Posts: 1711

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so galmin would you be so kind to translate the shakespear thingy into american?

?? It's English, do you speak something else in the US?

The meaning is so subtle that even a direct "translation into american" would make you miss the point.

One have to know the play to get it (no, I do not mean the title, but the message delivered by Leonato to Don Pedro and Claudio).

/G

Rev9Volts · Joined: 10 Jul 2003 Posts: 1327

i was kidding galmin... we speak 'merican here not english, however most understand english. :cute

Rev9Volts · Joined: 10 Jul 2003 Posts: 1327

i agree with mike what he said...

HKRockChick · No More Peas! Joined: 25 Nov 2003 Posts: 1513

one of my dearest friends in HK is gay and got married to his partner last year in the UK. They do NOT have an "open" marriage and are very happy together.

How can I say that is wrong just because its not what I would do?

:dunno

DreamTone7 · Joined: 20 Sep 2002 Posts: 2571

I think it is a moral issue...and with moral issues a line must be drawn somewhere. Where you choose to draw the line is up to you...and it does not mean that you are condemning someone. It just means that you disagree with their actions. I say, for me, that it is wrong...and so is pedophilia (one that most - but not all - people find it easier to draw a line about). This does not mean I don't care about homosexuals as people...I have an uncle that I love who is gay. It doesn't mean I have to agree with what he does, though.

But, when gay people think that they need to rewrite history and the Bible as to what a marriage is, there is more to it than just drawing a line...it's tantamount to altering the focus of reality "camera" (or perception) to make the wrong move seem right. This chips away at the foundations that allowed this country, or any country, to grow and prosper...and sets a dangerous precident for other possible changes along the same lines in the future. For one, it makes it easier for them to adopt kids...something I am very much against. It would also send out the message that "alternative lifestyles" are acceptable in the eyes of God and society...two things that are not true. But if people become more socially receptive to such things, it makes it all the more easier for them to be receptive to other even more negative (from my point of view) moral issues. It is the beginning of a long slippery moral slope that once we all begin to slide down, becomes very hard to get back up. From my point of view, it goes along with lying, cheating, stealing, etc. As soon as these things become more acceptable in the eyes of all, it grows to a point where it begins to effect us all to a greater extent. It helps to put all our morals in jeopardy...which is disasterous for the future of our children, IMO.

HKRockChick · No More Peas! Joined: 25 Nov 2003 Posts: 1513

Pedophilia is non-consensual, basically rape, and is a crime.

How can you compare a consensual relationship between criminal activity?

HKRockChick · No More Peas! Joined: 25 Nov 2003 Posts: 1513

How can you compare a consensual relationship WITH criminal activity?

HKRockChick · No More Peas! Joined: 25 Nov 2003 Posts: 1513

well, I'm totally against lies and cheating and kiilling, but have no problem with gays living how they choose - consensually.

I know some who object to gays, but have no problem in condoning murder, lies, cheating...

morality, wherefore are thou...

Galmin · The King has spoken! Joined: 30 Dec 2001 Posts: 1711

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I think it is a moral issue...and with moral issues a line must be drawn somewhere. Where you choose to draw the line is up to you...and it does not mean that you are condemning someone. It just means that you disagree with their actions. I say, for me, that it is wrong...and so is pedophilia

This is a classic, DT. :lol

Where you choose to draw the line is up to you...It just means that you disagree with [insert legal preference of any kind whatsoever here]. I say, for me, that it is wrong...and so is killing people with a blunt skate.

One is a crime, the other isn't.

Rev9Volts · Joined: 10 Jul 2003 Posts: 1327

evil like beauty is often in the eye of the beholder...

GREAT TO SEE YOU DEBBIE!!!

DreamTone7 · Joined: 20 Sep 2002 Posts: 2571

HK - "How can you compare a consensual relationship between criminal activity?"

Galmin - "One is a crime, the other isn't."

It depends on where you are...and, more importantly, WHEN you are.

The homosexual act has been illegal in many countries for a long time. In the US, there are several states where it was illegal. Check your history books, Mr. Galmin. You probably won't find it in there (I wonder why not if it is so important?)...but you will if you look at the dates the homosexual act was legalized. It's all recent in the US...as in within the past 50 years.

Laws are supposed to reflect our morals, but this has been blurred over the years. Now it seems that by making something legal, the moral response becomes: "Well, it's legal, so it must be OK." WRONG. That's backwards from the way it is supposed to be. But this little distortion of the legal mechanism is what now prompts people to say what they do about homosexuality. "Well, it's legal, so it must be OK." So it goes to follow that people will say the same thing about pedophilia...and who is to say that the child was not consenting? It may sound rediculous now, but wait until the laws on this one come slowly down...the way they did for homosexuality. Then you will most likely find yourself saying: "Well, it's legal, so it must be OK."

Remember, laws are created to enforce our morals...not the other way around. But when laws are changed to the detriment of our morals, then we will soon find our morals have taken a step down from where they once were...down onto the slippery moral slopes. The inevitable end result is that lying, cheating, stealing, and killing will become socially acceptable. Just look at the world we are living in today and tell me it is not slowly coming true.

So, the homosexual act WAS illegal...but not anymore in most places. I know it's hard to completely understand when a person is born into a world where these things are the norm...all the more reason why I don't want to see homosexuals adopting kids.

Galmin · The King has spoken! Joined: 30 Dec 2001 Posts: 1711

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It's all recent in the US...as in within the past 50 years.

I do not know about you, but I live here and now; year 2004.

Not so long ago, blacks couldn't vote, nor could women.

As time goes by, the laws are changed as you already have pointed out. However, my take on it is that the legal system will never be perfect, but it is under a constant process to change for the better and take away the complete lunacies in it.

Once upon a time, murder was a misdemeanor.

Today only the hardest punishment is reserved for such a crime. In the light of that, what you say about murder becoming socially acceptable someday in the future seems terribly unfounded.

DreamTone7 · Joined: 20 Sep 2002 Posts: 2571

To blanketly cite all changes in law as being for the better falls right into line with the modern trend. This is exactly what I was speaking against. It's also quite an impossiblity considering human nature alone.

Rev9Volts · Joined: 10 Jul 2003 Posts: 1327

galmin blacks have been allowed to vote in america for a very long time.

i always thought it was unwise to let wimmin vote because wimmin vote either with or against their husbands and as far as letting single wimmin vote well that is dangeous... too many blonde chicks in america...

i always go into the voting booth with my wife since english is not her first language...

Galmin · The King has spoken! Joined: 30 Dec 2001 Posts: 1711

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i always thought it was unwise to let wimmin vote because wimmin vote either with or against their husbands and as far as letting single wimmin vote well that is dangeous... too many blonde chicks in america...

But you still have the right to vote?

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i always go into the voting booth with my wife since english is not her first language...

Democracy at its finest.