Israel vows to ignore world court verdict that West Bank bar

MIKE BURN

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RonOnGuitar

And for that matter, if you check any current civilization Europe, Asia or whereever, you will see that it's the common world history that one civilisation replaces another.

This is true in Germany as it is everywhere else, otherwise you would have to give Germany back to Italy (Rome)!

Before I slam the "Syrian-Ashtray" around your head

I have to tell you that you exactly brought up the right argument regarding the Romans in Germany.

The Romans did exactly the same like Israel in Palestine.

They were invading our country, plundering, tried to ruin our culture and took away our land. The only difference was that they didn't refer to any religion incl. claims of ownership because it was written in some books.

BUT... only for short period of time, because the Germans ("Die GERMANEN" or "TEUTONEN") kicked them out after defeating the invaders in the slaughtering of the "Teuteburger Wald" 101 and 102 b.c. (YES... BEFORE Christ).

The Germans freed Europe and defeated the Roman Empire which ended in the "Deutsches Reich Römischer Nation" under a German emperor

He was crowned on the 25th. of December 800 a.d. and by accident he was buried in my city of Frankfurt (Dom) where his statue salutes from a central place in the city as a symbol for protecting those who won the country from Barbarians and Romans

Oh well, the Germans have a longer tradition than the Romans and this until today.

This is the so called "Sternenscheibe von Nebra", a 3,600 year old cultural treasure which shows in Bronze and Gold the exact position of the moon/sun/constellations of this time at this exact location of "Nebra".

So basically this should tell you that the Germans were not only slaying people and eating wild boars, but they were at the same cultural level like the folks in Stonehenge (a neolithic astronomical monument built from 3,100 b.c. - ca. 1,500 b.c...... the KELTS and Druids) which share the same root of our languages and on the same level like the Egyptians.

Please don't try to explain the history of my country to me.

Germany exists as a nation more than 6,000 years, not to speak of the so called "UR-Germanen", whose remains date before 10,000 b.c. In case you don't know, the British/Kelts, Scandinavians and Germans share the same cultural roots like they share the roots of the languages. Not only that, there is also a much wider connection which ends in the revelation of the so called "Indogermanian" tribes. That's why most of the people of India can learn German and English very quick. We also share basically the same roots.

Now take your Romans and put them in the ashtray and take the Israelites right away with you

Galmin · The King has spoken! Joined: 30 Dec 2001 Posts: 1711

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This is true in Germany as it is everywhere else, otherwise you would have to give Germany back to Italy

Not all of it (ever heard this? 'Vare, legiones redde!'). They can have Bavaria, though.

Galmin · The King has spoken! Joined: 30 Dec 2001 Posts: 1711

Oh. Mike beat me to it. ;P

LarreeMP3 · Joined: 12 Apr 2002 Posts: 1935

Suicide bombings against Israelis have been cut by 90% thanks to the security wall.

But most of you don't care about dead Israelis anyway.

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DreamTone7 · Joined: 20 Sep 2002 Posts: 2571

Mike - "Please don't try to explain the history of my country to me."

As long as you don't try to do the same for the US, we have a deal...but I will reserve the right to still ask questions.

DreamTone7 · Joined: 20 Sep 2002 Posts: 2571

Sounds like the wall was a good idea after all.

LarreeMP3 · Joined: 12 Apr 2002 Posts: 1935

The wall IS necessary. The "world" court can jump in a lake!

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LarreeMP3 · Joined: 12 Apr 2002 Posts: 1935

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Mike - "Please don't try to explain the history of my country to me."

As long as you don't try to do the same for the US, we have a deal...but I will reserve the right to still ask questions.

HAHAHA! Brilliant! Hey man. I will explain German history to ANY German on this planet. You guys MURDERED 6,000,000 of my people for kicks. But I don't hold any German post-war baby boomers personally responsible. I just like to rub it in every now and then.

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RonOnGuitar · Joined: 08 Jan 2003 Posts: 1916

I sez:

"This is true in Germany as it is everywhere else, otherwise you would have to give Germany back to Italy (Rome)!"

Mike sez:

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Germany exists as a nation more than 6,000 years

Well, Mike, when you dig up this from 4,000 BC, I will agree completely with you!

But the point is even if there were a "Deutschland" a billion years ago - who was there before before then? At best you have can go back to warring European tribes, just as there were warring (Indian) tribes in America - before the Europeans came.

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The Romans did exactly the same like Israel in Palestine.

They were invading our country, plundering, tried to ruin our culture and took away our land.

You said something in there that I don't think you realized you said, Mike! I don't think you meant to say it: but the Romans did the exact same thing to Israel (the Jews) when they conquered Israel. So Germany and Israel have a shared history of fighting off the same attackers!

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Please don't try to explain the history of my country to me.

And, I'm not, Mike! I'm just pointing out the fact that everyone came from somewhere else at some point. Individuals and civilisations - it's just the history of the world.

But I agree with both you and Dreamtone - the people who are the best sources for an accurate history of their own homeland would be Germans for German history, Americans for American history and Israelites for Israeli history. That idea works for all - or it works for none, right?

MIKE BURN

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RonOnGuitar

Well, Mike, when you dig up this from 4,000 BC, I will agree completely with you!

But the point is even if there were a "Deutschland" a billion years ago - who was there before before then? At best you have can go back to warring European tribes, just as there were warring (Indian) tribes in America - before the Europeans came.

Well Ron.... ignorance is a bliss and misinformation as well.

Only Americans can 'transport' ignorance in this special way...

Why don't you perform some research before posting weird examples like yours above?

The flag you have posted is the flag of the "Bundesrepublik Deutschland" 'invented' 1949.

The German 'nation' (in your American sense) was founded in May 1848.

Look..... THIS is the "Deutsche Reichsadler":

This is the German flag, the flag of our nation which is used officially since Karl the Great 800 a.d. Not only that, it was used before also by all those local landlords who were united in the German culture and tradition.

The term "nation" did not exist in Germany nor in Europe until 800 a.d. It was Karl the Great who implemented the term "nation" 800 after Christ by naming the freed Europe (from the Romans) "Heiliges Römisches Reich Deutscher Nation"

Europe is by far more complicated than America (just look on the borderlines for excample of Canada and the USA and compare them with any European country).

European countries share history and culture dating back to the stoneage. This is rather different from America.

America is the result of European history.

France, England, Spain and Germany... these are your roots.

Obviously Europeans DO qualify as best sources for an accurate history of YOUR own homeland.

As we all know, Americans meanwhile mutated to "cultureless" people. That's the reason why Americans do not understand the difference between Israel and their own dispelled native Indians and try to validate the Israel status with the usual "gung-ho" mentality. 1845, not too long ago, America annexed Texas. Well, poor Texans... they had no nation and were not worth living there or what? Or were they at the end Terrorists?

Galmin · The King has spoken! Joined: 30 Dec 2001 Posts: 1711

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but as long as some continue with an arrogant attitude towards any other country

This is a universal truth, applicable on everyone.

LarreeMP3 · Joined: 12 Apr 2002 Posts: 1935

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Mike - "1845, not too long ago, America annexed Texas. Well, poor Texans... they had no nation and were not worth living there or what? Or were they at the end Terrorists?"

Larree - "1945, not too long ago, America kicked ass on Germany. Well, poor Germans... Was Germany a racist, totalitarian nation, or what? Or were they at the end Terrorists?"

MIKE BURN · Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: re

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LarreeMP3

Larree - "1945, not too long ago, America kicked ass on Germany. Well, poor Germans... Was Germany a racist, totalitarian nation, or what? Or were they at the end Terrorists?"

Russia, Larree, Russia.

They lost 20 millions for defeating Germany.

The Americans were late, they came over after England was days before the capitulation and got some bullets on D-Day.

The Russians defeated the Germans. The Americans would not have been able to do that alone and again... they were very late

MIKE BURN · Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 4:42 pm Post subject: Re: re

I forgot... the wall in Palestine has to fall.

Israel has to bow down to international law or will face the consequences

DreamTone7 · Joined: 20 Sep 2002 Posts: 2571

Mike - "Why don't you perform some research before posting weird examples like yours above?

The flag you have posted is the flag of the "Bundesrepublik Deutschland" 'invented' 1949."

Mike, you are arguing a technicallity in order to avoid the validity of Ron's point, and you know it. Tsk, tsk.

Mike - "America is the result of European history.

France, England, Spain and Germany... these are your roots."

*Ahem*, not mine. My roots come from Scandanavia...Swedish in particular. Different group of people...different history. As is true for many Americans.

Mike - "Obviously Europeans DO qualify as best sources for an accurate history of YOUR own homeland."

Noooo. Again, America is made up of more than just Europeans. There are people with African heritage, Asian heritage, Pacific Island heritage, Mexican heritage, South American heritage, etc, etc. See, this is one of the things that makes America unique...the old term is "melting pot". Some roots of our culture can be traced back to Europe, but things have changed big time. And as to knowing more, I would say that Americans are better versed in any American history dating back, say about the past 400 years. Some europeans would still chose an arrogant viewpoint of looking at us as young upstarts...but they would be well reminded of the fact that these "upstarts" have been bailing Europe out of its own messes for at least the past 100 years. It looks as if Europe may now be getting its act together in some ways...but as long as some continue with an arrogant attitude towards any other country (not just America), they will still have a ways to go, IMHO.

Mike - "1845, not too long ago, America annexed Texas. Well, poor Texans... they had no nation and were not worth living there or what? Or were they at the end Terrorists?"

Since you are now a self-proclaimed expert on American history, why don't you tell us what happened?

Edited by: DreamTone7 at: 7/10/04 17:49