For Deb (and those who buy the DU myth)

[DreamTone7]

It was a lack of hard evidence that allowed somebody believe that cattle ate sheep to begin with. Now that the evidence is in, it's too late...people already believe the lie. Just what the media was counting on.

Melody and Instruments for the soul...

[Galmin]

W.M.D.



Q.E.D.

[DreamTone7]

N/A

[bitwhys]

BSE

[Galmin]

N.S.A.



D.O.D.



C.I.A.



Look, you cannot find it particularly strange that people are reserved and sceptical each time a report (with a disclaimer ridding it of all responsibility and credibility, this time executed by a body since decades hugely involved in the contracting of the material subjected to the "scrutiny"), ordered and payed for by a partial body emerges, can you?



Earlier reports about, say, stockpiled WMDs in Iraq from another US Goverment Department have had little effect to diminish that scepticism. Quite the contrary.



It is different for you who believes everything delivered from the outset. Is that a form of intellectual laziness?

[Galmin]

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potential health effects of exposure to depleted uranium



In the kidneys, the proximal tubules (the main filtering component of the kidney) are considered to be the main site of potential damage from chemical toxicity of uranium. There is limited information from human studies indicating that the severity of effects on kidney function and the time taken for renal function to return to normal both increase with the level of uranium exposure.

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Although uranium released from embedded fragments may accumulate in the central nervous system (CNS) tissue, and some animal and human studies are suggestive of effects on CNS function, it is difficult to draw firm conclusions from the few studies reported.



Monitoring and treatment of exposed individuals

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Following severe internal contamination, treatment in special hospitals consists of the slow intravenous transfusion of isotonic 1.4 % sodium bicarbonate to increase excretion of uranium. DU levels in the human, however, are not expected to reach a value that would justify intravenous treatment any more than dialysis.

Recommendations



Following conflict, levels of DU contamination in food and drinking water might be detected in affected areas even after a few years. This should be monitored where it is considered there is a reasonable possibility of significant quantities of DU entering the ground water or food chain.

Where justified and possible, clean-up operations in impact zones should be undertaken if there are substantial numbers of radioactive projectiles remaining and where qualified experts deem contamination levels to be unacceptable. If high concentrations of DU dust or metal fragments are present, then areas may need to be cordoned off until removal can be accomplished. Such impact sites are likely to contain a variety of hazardous materials, in particular unexploded ordnance. Due consideration needs to be given to all hazards, and the potential hazard from DU kept in perspective.

Small children could receive greater exposure to DU when playing in or near DU impact sites. Their typical hand-to-mouth activity could lead to high DU ingestion from contaminated soil. Necessary preventative measures should be taken.

Disposal of DU should follow appropriate national or international recommendations.



For more information contact:



WHO Media centre

Telephone: +41 22 791 2222

E-mail: mediainquiries@who.int

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The shutdown and still ongoing cleanup of the National Lead Inc. Colonie site, Albany, New York (cost: 150 million and counting)

The cleanup and pending shutdown of Starmet Concord Superfund site, Massachusetts and Los Alamos National Laboratory, New Mexico

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The second hazard is from inhalation or ingestion of significant quantities of DU oxides in a battlefield or clear-up scenario. In general terms, chemical toxicity and the threat to the kidney are of most importance when soluble material is present. Tank crews, Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) and Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers (REME) personnel would be at greatest risk. Inhalation of insoluble material presents a third and predominantly radiological risk from material lodging in the lung and increasing the lifetime risk of cancer. There may also be cause for concern arising from the transport of DU from the lung to the lymph nodes.



Inhaled DU particles, dependent on their size, may not rapidly disperse by natural processes and may remain lodged in the lungs (39). The consequences of this in humans are uncertain. Animal studies have shown some evidence of radiation induced fibrosis of tracheo-bronchial lymph nodes after inhalation exposures to U (2). McDiarmid suggests that further studies of the potential neurocognitive effects of DU are warranted in the light of evidence that DU crosses the blood-brain barrier in rats.



Ministry of Defence, UK

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Can you who are "smart enough to understand the physical, chemical and radioactive nature of what is invovled" explain to people like me what that last thing about neurocognitive effects and that DU crosses the blood-brain barrier in rats means?



The incubation time for DU seems to be about five years.

Lets see what kind of surprises the future holds in store.



Merry Christmas.

Edited by: Galmin  at: 12/4/05 12:12

[HKRockChick]

the US Govt and their paid lackeys say its all fine and oh so safe, so THAT'S hard evidence enough for the likes of DT I guess. Perhaps he found same evidence somewhere in the bible too.

[DreamTone7]

Galmin - "The incubation time for DU seems to be about five years.

Lets see what kind of surprises the future holds in store."



LOL! Incubation period! But yes...let's see what happens in the next five years.



BTW, all this "clean-up" is not as much a result of any worries over the effects of DU, but rather a response to all the public disinformation that has been spread by the uninformed (and "left") mass-media. Public opinion holds sway in this country...even when the public is out in *cough* "left" field.

Melody and Instruments for the soul...

[DreamTone7]

HKRC - "the US Govt and their paid lackeys say its all fine and oh so safe..."



So...how does it feel to be an "unpaid" lackey for the "left"? Have you yourself done anything towards the cause you claim to believe in, or have you just continued to rant and rave on this (and most likely other) message boards and websites? If you could but stand back from the situation and look at the bigger picture, you would realize you are but a pawn in the game that is working on the side of the "left". Interestingly, there is very little difference between you and the people you rail against, and neither of you gets anywhere with words. What is the true result? A lot of angry people who often resort to foul words for each other instead of spreading any love towards fellow people on this planet...as is your claim for motive. That is the true result...and I would hope you understand who the winners and losers are in that little game.

Melody and Instruments for the soul...

[HKRockChick]

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Interestingly, there is very little difference between you and the people you rail against, and neither of you gets anywhere with words.

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By your own admission it seems there is even less difference between "your side" and the terrorists - you both feel that you can only solve things with terror and bombs and wars.



And of course that is succeeding marvelously. NOT.

[DreamTone7]

Solve? No. Put a stop to it for the time being until it can be solved? Yes. Words do niether of these with terrorists.

[Galmin]

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Can you who are "smart enough to understand the physical, chemical and radioactive nature of what is invovled" explain to people like me what that last thing about neurocognitive effects and that DU crosses the blood-brain barrier in rats means?

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Care to answer my question, DT?

[Galmin]

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Galmin - "The incubation time for DU seems to be about five years.

Lets see what kind of surprises the future holds in store."



LOL! Incubation period! But yes...let's see what happens in the next five years.

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Yes. Incubation time (as in the medical sense. Obviously i thought that someone who is "smart enough to understand the physical, chemical and radioactive nature of what is invovled" would understant English as used by physicians. Silly me.).



Care to answer the question in the post above, Mr Layman?

[Galmin]

Well, I re-read the Sandia report and I must say I am convinced now.



All the estimations delievered in the report points to how healthy Depleted Uranium is. Being exposed to DU actually lowers the probability of birth defects with an added neglible cancer risk. It's like medicine! Inhale it! Eating an apple is more dangerous!



The fact that the report mentions neurocognitive effects, though disregard it because there is not enough research on it (from dependable DoD sources), is probably nothing to worry about.



While the report is based on DU effects from the first Iraqi war were DU rounds were mainly shot in the open desert, the bunker busters punching holes into Baghdad during "Operation Iraqi Freedom" can be of no concern. Surely. After all, open space equals a city of millions.



Sandia estimations shows that there is no risk for military personell and civilians. Period. Halleluja.

[DreamTone7]

Incubation time, in the medical sense, refers to growth, Galmin...as in bacteriological growth. So tell me...how does DU grow in the body?



As for neurological effects, only time will tell. That is one reason why individuals with DU fragments still in the body are being tracked. But there is no evidence to indicate there will be any. Polution, on the whole, is much more dangerous than DU. Want to start a rant about that too? Be my guest.

Melody and Instruments for the soul...