The truth about Guantanamo.....

MIKE BURN

Three things....

1st. "Nazi" is the strongest insult any German can take

from a foreign tongue.

2nd. I don't hate jewish people. I only do not agree with the Israeli government and the "oh, they are all victims" role.

Actually modern jews are sick of Sharon's and alike as well

and do support the peaceful opposition. Besides that, there a lot of non jews living in Israel.

3rd. I'm living in Frankfurt, the second biggest Jewish community in Germany after Berlin and the second biggest in whole Europe after Paris/France. I do have jewish friends and business partners. Usually we use the classic words against each other in a rage, but laugh about it at the same time.

memphis mike · Joined: 21 May 2003 Posts: 228

btw, as far as paying for the sins of your anscestors, i hear it everyday, being an American white male, i am still blamed for slavery...when the fact is my anscestors were poor 'white trash' and never owned any one....

MIKE BURN

The link points to the official homepage of the Central Committee of German Jews.

Excerpt (transl. in english for you):

Quote:
Let nobody fail in his duty in this hour of trial!

Let everybody contribute according to his ability, and in his own place, to the task of helping others!

The hour of German Jewry has arrived, the hour of responsibility, the hour of trial.

Let German Jewry prove itself capable of facing this hour.

memphis mike · Joined: 21 May 2003 Posts: 228

Mr. Burns still believes all jews should be killed, he said it in another thread. He said Israel is a terrorists organiziation and Tel Aviv should be bombed. It's obvious he is indeed still a "NAZI". Mr. Burns you do hate the jews, don't you. Also, one again the pictures you have shown are not recently rushed in, nor do they depict anything out of the ordinary in a prison camp..

...and all of you yawners are just going to let him slide and assume he's not like his anscestors. He has the same belief, "kill the jews". He is on record as saying so.

The rest of his rantings are nonsense and he never concedes

this thread should not have even been started. Remeber, the first picture. the American Taliban...recently rushed in LMAO.

BTW, Mr. Burns brought up the German SS, i didn't and I did not use the term Nazi above as had been indicated. he's talking of pulling "OLD" photos of the US and calling them recent. My point is the German SS is not to good with photos and dates.

But now, it is clear where Mike Burns stands and if none of you see it you are blind...

That, my friends, is the here and now! Bomb Israel the terror organization.

Edited by: memphis mike at: 7/7/03 4:00 pm

bbchris

MM - a bit weak to say "your friends brought the word Nazi up" and then go on to using it! If this wasn't a serious thread, I'd be silly about it.

Mike has Jewish friends and there is definitely a big Jewish community in Germany. I have to admit I was surprised by that but very happy by it. Before I first visited Germany, English friends were saying "Whatever you do, DON'T mention the war" (whereas my Chinese family & friends just told me to have a good time!!!)

The funny thing was Mike was very open about discussing the war and how terrible it all was. It was very eye-opening. I also spoke to some immigrants in other parts of Germany. Very interesting.

MM - you are blamed for slavery? That's a new one for me. Seriously. None of my American friends have told me that ever. Maybe the Americans that come here are different to the ones that remain? They come from all over America - I'll ask them this week.

Steve H - I totally agree with you.

memphis mike · Joined: 21 May 2003 Posts: 228

weak, BB, you used the word and i inappropriately picked up on it. I said I apologize, that is not weak....

memphis mike · Joined: 21 May 2003 Posts: 228

once again, you obviously "hate' jews...why don't you just admit it to your friends here....it looks as though they would let that issue slide anyway...as long as nobody used those ugly old words from the 30's and 40's...

so, your only concern for those who died in WWII were Russian is that what you are saying....

Edited by: memphis mike at: 7/7/03 4:10 pm

memphis mike · Joined: 21 May 2003 Posts: 228

blamed for slavery---the words "reverse discrimination" and "affirmative action" are part of our everday lives here. We have been asked by the NAACP and every other black organization to pay reparations..This is still a hot issue at the present..Today, if i go on a job interview and the only qualified applicants are me and one black man, he will get the job. it's not wrong that he would get the job, it is wrong why he would get the job....

bbchris

Reverse discrimination - that's a very interesting topic. Not familiar with it. I don't know many black Americans - the only black folks I know are French or African.... Tell me more.

Yes you did apologize - I dont think 'weak' was the right word - lets drop this one. I apologize for highlighting it.

memphis mike · Joined: 21 May 2003 Posts: 228

no, i am not a jew and your friends brought the word Nazi up, i never used it before they brought it up and you are right i may not know what a nazi is, but i know who they hated and murdered and you hate the same,,,if you do not want to be called a nazi, then, i apologize and will cease and desist. i wish no one had ever brought the word up and I should not have stooped to prolonging it's use. but the fact remains, i still believe you hate jewish people and btw, my anscestors were all Scotch-Irish. once again, i apologize to you for the Nazi remark and will never say that again..

Edited by: memphis mike at: 7/7/03 10:04 pm

memphis mike · Joined: 21 May 2003 Posts: 228

still the greatest social disaster of this country--the division of black and white.....we are told that in order to make things equal we now have to give up more as white Americans in order to amend for the past....once again, bleeding heart liberal democrats....therefore, 'affirmative action', which goes beyond the equality scenario i used above in the job interview,

provides such things as entry to medical schools "MUST" be based on quotas(racial %''s) and not who has the best grades.

MIKE BURN

...this thread developed into a direction far away from Guantanamo

...and still, this was the only answer to the recently APPROVED

pictures (and new info about Iraqi deployments):

Quote:
US may do a lot of things but we treat POW's more than fairly...always have, always will...

However.... it's interesting to discuss the world here

memphis mike · Joined: 21 May 2003 Posts: 228

how many times do i have to say it, those are not recently approved photos, I have seen every single one of them before and they do not show anything out of the ordinary. You started this thread and i refuted your facts, end of story. We are not mistreating any POW's at Guantanamo and the IRC will back us up on that...do you want to send in UN inspectors?

Is the IRC not good enough for you?

MIKE BURN

memphis mike

I can see the red in your face :lol

Re-read what I wrote:

German authorities "APPROVED" the pictures recently in the context of the treatment of Iraqi POW's, transported by Americans to Guantanamo.

Do you get it now?

)

"Recently rushed in" and approved from my national perspective, in the very actual context of Iraq today.

Furthermore there were no reports of anybody being released froim Guantanamo so far, this includes a bunch of Afghan boys under 18 years old, who are still held in "prison" there.

"Prison" looks comfortable to me compared to the situation in Guantanamo.

Good that you mention the IRC... that's what can be found on the official IRC (USA) homepage, which sounds actually rather harmless compared to what you read on other IRC sites outside the U.S.:

Quote:
The Geneva Conventions require that all captured combatants or prisoners of war (POWs) be visited by the ICRC to help assure the world that their treatment is humane.

Currently, the American Red Cross is not assisting with operations in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. "We would provide appropriate support to the ICRC or the U.S. government if requested," Brown said.

The ICRC has visited more than 4,000 detainees in more than 30 locations throughout Afghanistan. The organization also plans to meet with the 2,000 detainees expected to be in Guantanamo when the facility reaches its full capacity. Currently nearly 200 detainees are at the site.

Funny.... this is in total disagreement with what has been broadcasted by CNN before the quoted statement from the IRC above has been written:

Red Cross had full access to Cuba detainees

(Detainees are shackled and escorted by two guards whenever they leave their cells.)

Many human rights organizations have raised concerns about the conditions and treatment of the detainees, who are kept in 8-feet-square outdoor cells, similar to cages.

memphis mike · Joined: 21 May 2003 Posts: 228

BTW, the first picture of the American Taliban, John Crawford Lindh...should be tossed...his case was adjudicated in the American judical system a long time ago, in which he pled guilty and was sentenced to 20 years. Of course, he will receive some special treatment-his security from the other prisoners must be insured at additional cost to the American taxpayer.....