If Michael Jackson is found guilty, will you still

droolymutt · Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: er um

Personally, the idea disgusts me to no end.

But, if it's done innocently, (I think that IS conceivable), is that a crime?

bbchris · Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: er um

When does innocent become guilty? Where is the line drawn? Why do we have moral guidelines in life? Is there anything wrong with children learning about sexuality from adults who are not their parents or care-takers? Should an adult explain masturbation to children? Should he demonstrate it for better clarity? All in innocence of course, so that the children understands better. That's surely OK isn't it? As long as the adult is innocent of ulterior motive? I'm confused

droolymutt · Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: er um

I think we have to differentiate between "sleeping with" and "having sex with"......

Personally, I don't think everyone necessarily believes that "sleeping with" implies sex. I do, and that's why the idea repulses me so much.

Anyways.

My point is, what would the criminal charge be, if no sex was involved?

HKRockChick · No More Peas! Joined: 25 Nov 2003 Posts: 1513

quote "Should an adult explain masturbation to children? Should he demonstrate it for better clarity? All in innocence of course, so that the children understands better. That's surely OK isn't it?"

Nope, thats NOT ok. If that's what MJ did he needs a kick in the pants. I don't follow this news, but if all he did was SLEEP with some kids, I'd have a problem with criminalising that.

droolymutt · Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: gotta differentiate

Yep.

If he had sexual involvement with young children, he needs more than a kick in the pants.

If that's the case, he should be crucified, castrated, boiled in oil, and fed to the pigs. (Sorry - I feel strongly about this issue...)

However... - if he simply slept in the same bed as a child, with NO sexual intent or action, (do you think that's even remotely possible..?)......?

What would the criminal charge be?

Edited by: droolymutt at: 2/22/05 18:33

droolymutt · Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: gotta differentiate

Ok.

I hate to push the point....

But Curiosity overtakes me....

What would the criminal charge be?

RonOnGuitar · Joined: 08 Jan 2003 Posts: 1916

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if he simply slept in the same bed as a child, with NO sexual intent or action, (do you think that's even remotely possible..?)......?

What would the criminal charge be?

Drooly - I believe that if the parents gave it their okay, the only possible charge would be "acting really creepy for a middle-aged man". And if being creepy were illegal, Jacko would've been sentenced to life a long time ago!

droolymutt · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:23 am Post subject: Re: gotta differentiate

Yes, Ron....

The whole topic is creepy.

To those of us who associate "sleeping with" with sex.

bbchris · Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 4:42 am Post subject: Re: gotta differentiate

Oh yes 'sleeping with' does have more than one meaning! I totally agree. We all hope it's the most innocent meaning in this trial.

It will be interesting when the trial brings out the fact that MJ liked to give the boys alcohol too. But that's a whole different thread. :ft

DrewLeeMutt · Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 1

An adult feeding alcohol to young Children is also very creepy.

Did he do that?

bbchris · Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 7:38 am Post subject: Re: gotta differentiate

I don't know for sure. That's what the uncle of the previous victim (the one MJ paid off 10 years ago) said. He's not bound by the 'confidentiality agreement' that the boy & his family had to sign. I guess the only people who truly know are the children, MJ and any staff that was around (I cant see MJ cooking or cleaning, so there must be some, right?).

Do you remember that case in the States (I only know coz they made a movie about it) where this therapist put all these ideas into children's heads that they were being molested by a teacher? ANd it was a personal vendetta of the therapist? And no molestation had happened? And showing how vulnerable children are? I can't remember the name of the movie but watched it recently on HBO. Just goes to show children ARE easily influenced - either way....

HKRockChick · No More Peas! Joined: 25 Nov 2003 Posts: 1513

Chris, you hit the nail on the head with that therapist story. That was not an isolated case. Many delinquent/dysfunctional children had "hypnosis" underwhich they revealed sexual abuse by their parents. A lot of it was later disproved, since the therapists were actually suggesting things and the children were agreeing.

There's another movement - the "don't let the parents discipline their children" that is playing a role in an increasingly disfunctional socially irresponsible children and society in general. For example, people calling in the cops if they see a mother trying to discipline a child, even a smack on the hand. The whole thing has gone to ridiculous extremes, and parents are now really scared of telling their child right from wrong.

I still hold to innocent until proven guilty. I am sure there is a lot of money to be had if the plaintiff wins.

On the other hand, if he is guilty (and if I myself am convinced that he is - because trials are not always fair), he really deserves the max. penalty.

bbchris · Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: gotta differentiate

I second what you say Debbie.

I was never a fan of Gary Glitter so don't have that problem with him and of course MJ is way BIGGER SUPERSTAR than GG. I heard they've got a jury for MJ without a sympathetic black person on the jury.

RonOnGuitar · Joined: 08 Jan 2003 Posts: 1916

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Do you remember that case in the States (I only know coz they made a movie about it) where this therapist put all these ideas into children's heads that they were being molested by a teacher?

Chris - I think the case you might have in mind (it was made into a movie) may be the McMartin preschool case, involving "Satanic Ritual Abuse":

Ritual Sex Abuse Hoax

and this might be the movie you mentioned?

Indictment: The McMartin Trial

Edited by: RonOnGuitar at: 2/25/05 22:35

RonOnGuitar · Joined: 08 Jan 2003 Posts: 1916

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I still hold to innocent until proven guilty. I am sure there is a lot of money to be had if the plaintiff wins.

On the other hand, if he is guilty (and if I myself am convinced that he is - because trials are not always fair), he really deserves the max. penalty.

Yeah, Debbie - you do have to stop and wonder when parents (and lawyers) could make mega-$$$ from such things.

Especially if they bring it up after some time has passed by. I think the immediate normal human reaction of most parents would be to kick MJ's @ss and pound him into a pulp, post haste. Money wouldn't factor into the equation.